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Old 11-16-2012, 12:50 AM #22
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Since when did you become interested in what the constitution says?
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:59 AM #23
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I know you think the military is evil and we have no reason to need F-22's and nuclear powered carriers with dozens of advanced military aircraft on board, but the reality is, if we didn't have those, the world would plunge into war fairly fast.
Good story bro. Do you write fiction often? Or do you just go through life that baselessly scared ****less of everything?
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This coming from a former postal worker:

The problem was created in Congress in 2006 with the requirement of USPS to pre-fund its retiree's health benefits until 2050. Which the Post Office has failed to pay, only because the budget office of the Congress won't let them transfer the $4 billion dollar surplus that the Post Office has paid to the government for other benefits.

This is a problem created by Congress and can only be solved by Congress.

The post office completely funds itself through stamp prices, not by the tax payer
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:28 AM #25
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No, no we do not. Private companies can deliver things faster, cheeper, and more effeciently than the USPS can.


Its time to let it die, its time has come and gone, its a bygone of an older era.
See USPS isn't dying on its own, it's currently being strangled by congress.

Private companies are cheaper for larger items, but light packages USPS absolutely kicks ***.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:02 AM #26
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USPS dominates all when shipping under 50 lbs. fast and cheap, I have nothing but problems with ups and FedEx
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Members of congress get to mail to their constituents for free... So during election times, the post office loses a ton of money from those mailings.

The post office loses millions per year hand processing netflix movie envelopes. But, because the owner of netflix is a big democratic donor he gets special privileges and instead of having to PAY like everyone else to mail a cd in a NON approved mailer, both ways, with hand cancelling. He gets a deal... And every time the post office touches one of those mailers with their hand (which is every single one) it costs us the taxpayers money.

It isn't what you know, it is WHO you know.

Blockbuster had to sue to get the same special rates that netflix was getting for years.

If you or I go into a post office with a mailer exactly like netflix's and try to use it with the same postage rates they get, we will be laughed at, and charged 3X the cost... As that is the Post offices TRUE cost of hand processing a netflix mailer. Yet, they don't pay that cost. We the taxpayers do...




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Old 11-16-2012, 07:08 AM #28
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I thought the purpose of the government was to facilitate private industry in any way. Perhaps that's only true for republican business owners?
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:42 AM #29
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So you believe the constitution is a living document then. Good.
what in the blue hell does that have to do with the USPS? The constitution is the basis of our laws and freedom. The USPS delievers (poorly I might add) paper waste to your house.

The USPS is a waste of taxpayer money. Really, when was the last time you sent a letter? I can tell you now its been 15+ years for me, I do everything electronicly or thru UPS/FedEx/Etc.
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what in the blue hell does that have to do with the USPS?
Creating post offices is an Art. I Sec. 8 enumerated power, right up there with coining money and maintaining a navy.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:51 AM #31
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I thought the purpose of the government was to facilitate private industry in any way. Perhaps that's only true for republican business owners?
Actually, it is democrats who run our government who are bent on rewarding their friends while penalizing their "enemies".

Why would netflix get special treatment when other businesses that would benefit from lower postage costs can't get the same deal without suing and spending millions in legal fees?...

Fact is, the Netflix owner donated to democrats, and was repaid by the USPS giving him a unfair business model, that no one else could get for the first 5 years of his business... And the only way the field was leveled was by litigation. Resulting in the destruction of his competitors through the logic of liberalism...



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So it is only fair for republican owned businesses to receive subsidies, tax breaks and earmarks because they're the only true job creators. Glad to see we got that straight.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:37 AM #33
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What's the point of having them and not using them? A fear of capability isn't enough.
We haven't used the Abrams en mass for years now. Same with the MLRS, B-2, and a lot of other toys in the arsenal. You build for tomorrows war, not today's, as we learned in WW1, WW2, Vietnam.
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So it is only fair for republican owned businesses to receive subsidies, tax breaks and earmarks because they're the only true job creators. Glad to see we got that straight.
Glad to see you still love a good strawman...
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So it is only fair for republican owned businesses to receive subsidies, tax breaks and earmarks because they're the only true job creators. Glad to see we got that straight.
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What's the point of having them and not using them? A fear of capability isn't enough.
Isn't force projection one of the underlying functions of our standing military, especially our navy?

Caveat: I may be misunderstanding/misusing the phrase "force projection."
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The USPS is a waste of taxpayer money. Really, when was the last time you sent a letter? I can tell you now its been 15+ years for me, I do everything electronicly or thru UPS/FedEx/Etc.
Fun fact: many UPS and FedEx packages are shipped by the USPS. Both companies take advantage of the fact that the USPS is required to deliver everywhere, even if it can't be done at a profit. Don't expect UPS or FedEx to fill the void themselves if the USPS suddenly vanished. The USPS is artificially held back from competing in many, many ways.
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The constitution is the basis of our laws and freedom.
...and provides for having a post office:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads".
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The USPS delievers (poorly I might add) paper waste to your house.
While i agree with you on the junk mail , (sans my wifes lacy undy catalogues ) You, I or anybody else on this board can spend a couple of cents on postage (depending on size and weight of course) and send a envelope or other package across this country in 3 days time. Thats pretty damn good. I once went on a trip to europe and sent some mail from Italy: My cards got to their destinations 5 and a half months later.
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The USPS is a waste of taxpayer money. Really, when was the last time you sent a letter? I can tell you now its been 15+ years for me, I do everything electronicly or thru UPS/FedEx/Etc.
My banking is done 'electronicaly.' Funds aren't taken directly from my account by my billers. They are sent a check from my bank. Take a guess as to how my billers get my payments. I send money to my parents on a monthly basis through my bank. How does that money get them? When I buy my paintball gear 9 times out of 10 its in a usps box. There is a post office 4 minutes walk from my home. The nearest fedex drop off is at least 3 miles. Yeah I use it, and it works fine for me.
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Why is no one calling out the repeated bull**** that USPS costs taxpayer money?
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Members of congress get to mail to their constituents for free... So during election times, the post office loses a ton of money from those mailings.
True, but not quite. Yes, the office of the congress member can send official or unofficial mail to constituents for free, BUT when it comes to election time, the campaigns pay for the election mailings. All election mail is paid for.

The post office loses millions per year hand processing netflix movie envelopes.
Again, not quite. Netfilx are run on the DBCS machines, same as every other machinable letter.
But, because the owner of netflix is a big democratic donor he gets special privileges and instead of having to PAY like everyone else to mail a cd in a NON approved mailer, both ways, with hand cancelling. He gets a deal... And every time the post office touches one of those mailers with their hand (which is every single one) it costs us the taxpayers money.

This is where you're really full of ****. Netfilx gets reduced mailing prices because they conform to the Postal Regulations that allow them to receive the discounts, such as: bulk entry, pre-printed DBCS barcodes, special packaging so that the disc can be sent there and back in the same package. If you are ever confused on how the USPS does mailing prices, see the domestic mail manual: http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/dmm300_landing.htm

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Blockbuster had to sue to get the same special rates that netflix was getting for years.

Blockbuster's packaging didn't meet all DMM (domestic mail manual) standards and had issues running on the DBCS machines, thus USPS retroactively charged more for the inconvenience until Blockbuster improved its packaging.

If you or I go into a post office with a mailer exactly like netflix's and try to use it with the same postage rates they get, we will be laughed at, and charged 3X the cost... As that is the Post offices TRUE cost of hand processing a netflix mailer. Yet, they don't pay that cost. We the taxpayers do...
You are not sending over 100,000+ movies a day. Again Netfilx gets those special prices because of what they do to make it easier to process their mail compared to a regular letter.



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Actually, it is democrats who run our government who are bent on rewarding their friends while penalizing their "enemies".

Proof?


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Why would netflix get special treatment when other businesses that would benefit from lower postage costs can't get the same deal without suing and spending millions in legal fees?...



Fact is, the Netflix owner donated to democrats, and was repaid by the USPS giving him a unfair business model, that no one else could get for the first 5 years of his business... And the only way the field was leveled was by litigation. Resulting in the destruction of his competitors through the logic of liberalism...

{/liberal_hating_rant}

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I mail stuff everyday, and receive stuff everyday in the mail. You can't run a business without the mail, as your checks often arrive that way, along with your bills, tax information, increased insurance costs notices, product being mailed, and marketing to other businesses, as well as sending out your invoices... It is the lifeblood of the graphics arts industry.
And the drug testing industry, and so many more.
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