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Old 11-02-2012, 02:55 PM #1
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Breaking in / Tuning

I just purchased an Empire Axe. Upgraded it to the Redline board and the XSV bolt. I have about 3000 shots through it so far.

I was using the tuning method sticky thread and started it out at 160 output pressure. Turned the velocity out to 1.5 turns and was getting just over 300 fpm +/- 15. I lowered the output to 140 PSI and was getting 285 fpm +/- 15.

I'm still getting a little kick but not bad. Not as smooth as I was hoping.

The bolt sticks a little compared to the stock bolt. Is this normal? Will it smooth out over time. Say after 5-10 cases of paint?

Also I broke a few balls. I was slightly underbore. Brittle paint for sure.

Can I expect this to improve over time so that I can drop input pressure to a lower value? I know the gauges aren't 100% accurate.

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Old 11-02-2012, 02:58 PM #2
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FYI I'm using the short spring and high quality paint.
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:17 PM #3
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As the gun, regulator, spring and orings break in..yes the gun will continue to smooth out and the +/- fps will clean up as well.
If you continue to break paint try the long spring and upping the dwell.
Lastly, you can help prevent bolt stick by lubing the bolt tip.

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Old 11-02-2012, 06:44 PM #4
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Thanks!


So should I avoid fine tuning until things break in?
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:35 PM #5
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Pretty much, the settings that your at now are pretty good by the sounds of it. After a few cases it should feel very nice comparing to stock. You won't be able to really fine tune it until things break in.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:36 PM #6
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No you can fine tune. Not much will change. Besides you will have to clean your poppet every once in a while so its not like a one time tune then never again
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Is it worth it trying until it's broken i though? He might as well just run a few cases through it first beforehand.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:23 AM #8
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Not necessarily, mine showed an improvement after 1.5-2 cases, but after 3-4 cases is when I got the efficiency numbers I was looking for. Plus once the reg breaks in your Axe should be +/- 5-6 fps. Breaking in the reg is the longest process of the entire equation.

Also, add a couple drops of "paintball approved" oil to your reg after 3-4 cases, this will help keep the seals in the reg in proper working order and help keep the reg consistent.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:52 PM #9
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Thanks guys. I shot a couple cases through it today.

Showing signs of improvement already.

I'm still breaking balls from time to time. Frustrating. Shooting empire paint. .687 bore in 75F weather. What gives?
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:37 PM #10
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Will shooting the gun eyes off help break it in? Air is cheaper than paint.
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:53 PM #11
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Where do you live ? We use Empire Custom Blend (basically Formula 13 with a custom fill) and it usually measures out to a .682 in the am, .685 in the afternoon, so with your barrel you are more then likely overboring and getting barrel breaks. I live two hours away from RPS, so our paint is always fresh when we get it.

Breaking in you should always use paint as you won't be able to tell what your shooting at without chroning in between. Once you get 3-4 cases through the gun, then start fine tuning your gun.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:28 PM #12
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I live in Atlanta, GA. Okay. Ill try a smaller bore.

The paint is all over the place. It doesn't shoot in the same place consistently.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:58 PM #13
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So apparently I've been shooting evil paint and that's why I'm breaking balls. Fragile I hear.
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Your paint is all over the place due to your large bore, I would try a friends barrel thats smaller and everything will improve
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Word. Haha

I'm all over it.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:52 PM #17
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I see what he did there.
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If you're shooting Evil this time of year, you'll get breaks. I don't know how cold it gets in ATL but the shift in seasons means there's changes in air pressure and temperature, which both affect paintballs.
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+/- 15 is a lot. Have you cleaned the gum thoroughly? Lubed the poppit and the reg properly?

I don't think anyone asked yet but what dwell are you running?

And an underbore is always nice for accuracy and consistencey. My axe has an Infamous bolt and is well tuned, with a .680 or .684 ultralite I'm +/- 2-3 all day.
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+/- 15 is a lot. Have you cleaned the gum thoroughly? Lubed the poppit and the reg properly?
Gun only has 1.5 cases through it so that right there tells us his reg hasn't broken in not to mention he's using an overbored barrel which will cause all kinds of erratic shots.
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I have cleaned and lubed everything. I really think the ball breakage is due to the type of paint.

I'm going to try a different paint and work with the bore issue. Ill try a true under bore.

The gun has about 3 cases through it now. Ill be putting another two cases through it Sunday and see how it goes.

Ill update this thread after.

Thanks for the help guys. I'm sure this will get resolved.
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