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Old 11-29-2012, 09:09 PM #337
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:30 PM #338
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:34 PM #339
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About ****ing time....almost there. Can't wait until war crime charges get levied against Israeli leaders.
Only the losers of a conflict get strung up for war crimes.

ie: Israeli leaders won't be touched.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:36 PM #341
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:38 PM #342
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:38 PM #343
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Its about goddamn time if you ask me, Israel has every right to retaliate, every nation around them hates them and now they will all pay for ****ting on a powerhouse! And they are also doing the U.S a favor by removing a terrorist government from an already uncontrolable region!
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:38 PM #344
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I don't see that as paradoxical at all.



I was just using one example. I agree there are plenty.
His point was that you can't tell someone they are being unamerican when a founding principle states that the people have the right to overthrow their government and replace it with something that protects their interests. Not a paradox, but a contradiction.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:40 PM #345
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Only the losers of a conflict get strung up for war crimes.

ie: Israeli leaders won't be touched.
Damn straight.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:40 PM #346
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US:
-KKK
-Army of God
-Lambs of Christ
-Concerned Christians
-Hutaree (my favorite)
-The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
-Defensive Action
-The Freemen Community

International:
-Anders Behring Breivik, The Christian Crusdaer
-Iron Guard
-Lancieri
-National Liberatoin Front of Tripura
-Manmasi National Christian Army
-Orange Volunteers
-the shaman killed in peru (2011)
How are you not getting this?

Also, let's look at some political terrorist groups:
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Provisional IRA (UK)
Active 1969-1997
Total 1824 people killings by PIRA, of which 621 were non-police civilians
Source: CAIN project, University of Ulster
Now recognised primarily through Sinn Fein, their political wing, which is a key member of the Northern Ireland Assembly

ANC / Umkhonto we Sizwe (South Africa)
Active 1961-1990
Total 63 people (though figures relating to their land mining campaign are disputed)
Source: Alas, the best I can do for numbers is Wikipedia - I'd appreciate a better link :-(
Following the collapse of Apartheid, became elected government of South Africa, certainly a model of non-retaliation in power

ETA (Spain)
Active 1959-date
Total 829 people killed by ETA
Source: Spanish government
Most recent confirmed deaths: 2009 (3 people)

Baader-Meinhof / Red Army Faction (Germany)
Active: 1970-1998
Total 34 deaths

RZ / Revolutionare Zellen [Revolutionary Cells] (Germany)
Active: 1973-1993
Not clear how many casualties, but 186 attacks, mostly car bombs
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:42 PM #347
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His point was that you can't tell someone they are being unamerican when a founding principle states that the people have the right to overthrow their government and replace it with something that protects their interests. Not a paradox, but a contradiction.
When someone denies others the right of governance, he is denying them a right that we claimed to be universal and unalienable.
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Its about goddamn time if you ask me, Israel has every right to retaliate, every nation around them hates them and now they will all pay for ****ting on a powerhouse! And they are also doing the U.S a favor by removing a terrorist government from an already uncontrolable region!
Israel won't survive indefinitely. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the Jews, I'm with Herzel, they need a place to call their own, but:

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Real talk: side stepping the moral arguments. If American global hedgemony declines, Israel is inevitably ****ed. Their nations military is artificially propped up on subsidies far larger than their geographical region could sustain. With the rise of Islamic governments in surrounding nations, you're going to see a hell of a difference in region politics and responses to the existence of Israel. They may have been able to fend off invading armies decades ago, even now, but in a decade or two, it's over.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:43 PM #349
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When someone denies the right of governance, they are rejecting an american principle. Period.
I'm misunderstanding this point. Could be the whiskey. What do you mean, denying the right of governance? I don't see what you are seeing. Whiskey, maybe.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:46 PM #350
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I'm misunderstanding this point. Could be the whiskey. What do you mean, denying the right of governance? I don't see what you are seeing. Whiskey, maybe.
It's alright. I'm hanging out with old Jim Beam myself.

This nation is founded upon the idea that if people aren't being ruled fairly or well it is both their right and their duty to overthrow their government and start anew. If we deny that, we deny our own sovereignty.

Also, I edited the last post a bit just so ya know.
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Also, let's look at some political terrorist groups:
They can't be terrorists, they're not Muslims.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:50 PM #352
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It's alright. I'm hanging out with old Jim Beam myself.

This nation is founded upon the idea that if people aren't being ruled fairly or well it is both their right and their duty to overthrow their government and start anew. If we deny that, we deny our own sovereignty.

Also, I edited the last post a bit just so ya know.
Ah I get you. Though I have to wonder, if the people aren't being ruled fairly, do we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Or may we simply, change the bathwater. I mean, we aren't any less corrupt than what.... King George was it? Was when we decided to tell him to go frot various members of parliament.
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Ah I get you. Though I have to wonder, if the people aren't being ruled fairly, do we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Or may we simply, change the bathwater. I mean, we aren't any less corrupt than what.... King George was it? Was when we decided to tell him to go frot various members of parliament.
I would say that we were much better in colonial america after the declaration of independence than before in political terms. The change was very good. Unfortunately since then our political system has started to rot away but that's a separate issue.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:11 PM #355
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:14 PM #356
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My friend, I mock the others. I think I have enough posting history to support that.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:16 PM #357
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I would say that we were much better in colonial america after the declaration of independence than before in political terms. The change was very good. Unfortunately since then our political system has started to rot away but that's a separate issue.
I agree, but probably not for the same reasons. I dont know that the change was good. I truly believe that the "greatness" we experienced was due to factors that did not include our politics.
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