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Old 12-29-2012, 11:06 PM #274
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Umm, have you been paying attention to the fiscal cliff dealing even a little bit?
Yep.
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:13 PM #275
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Well, you totally got me. The Democrats in the House and the Senate presented their own bill for a vote too. I totally missed that.

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Are you suggesting the GOP in congress want to agree to Obama's plan, but simply haven't been given the chance? Or what is your point exactly?
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So then why are you pretending this is anything but GOP intransigence?
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Are you suggesting the GOP in congress want to agree to Obama's plan, but simply haven't been given the chance? Or what is your point exactly?
No, pull you head out of icanonlythinkleft.org for a bit. There are 535 legislators who can throw out a bill. None have. No Republicans and no Democrats have done so. They are legislators; they should legislate. There does not have to be any agreement beforehand for a bill to be written and put to a vote. I am not giving the GOP a pass on this if that is what you were thinking. If you can't tell, both sides are guilty of this IMHO.

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So then why are you pretending this is anything but GOP intransigence?
See above unless you think the Republicans should just go with whatever Obama suggests.

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Why have none of them thrown out a bill?
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See above unless you think the Republicans should just go with whatever Obama suggests.

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the republicans actually need to put something on the table first.
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There does not have to be any agreement beforehand for a bill to be written and put to a vote.
Yeah, there kind of does...
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Why have none of them thrown out a bill?
I don't have an explanation other than both sides are playing politics and pandering. That is why I am irritated with both sides.

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I don't have an explanation other than both sides are playing politics and pandering. That is why I am irritated with both sides.

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Except thats bull****. One side has put offers on the table and has been extremely flexible while the other refuses to even participate.
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the republicans actually need to put something on the table first.
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Yeah, there kind of does...
Why? Do you think there will be an agreement beforehand on Feinstein's anti-gun bill? Will that lack of an agreement beforehand keep her from throwing it out?

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I don't have an explanation other than both sides are playing politics and pandering. That is why I am irritated with both sides.

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My guess is that neither side has the needed votes to pass anything. What do you think of this theory?
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How can there be a deal if the republicans refuse to state what they even want out of one? You can't negotiate with yourself...
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Because you'd be wasting time? The deal making is being done through negotiations around a table. There doesn't have to be a bill produced until everyone agrees on it. I thought this was common knowledge.
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How can there be a deal if the republicans refuse to state what they even want out of one? You can't negotiate with yourself...
There is no need to lie. There have been numerous offers from both sides.
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Except thats bull****. One side has put offers on the table and has been extremely flexible while the other refuses to even participate.
Both sides have put offers out there.

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My guess is that neither side has the needed votes to pass anything. What do you think of this theory?
I can't say anything negative about it. My theory drips with pessimism and disenchantment (neither of which I like), so your theory is as good as mine.

Edit: Maybe both are in some degree in effect.

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Because you'd be wasting time? The deal making is being done through negotiations around a table. There doesn't have to be a bill produced until everyone agrees on it. I thought this was common knowledge.
If that was the case, all bills would pass because everyone agreed beforehand. Are you claiming that all bills that are proposed pass as first proposed?

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If that was the case, all bills would pass because everyone agreed beforehand. Are you claiming that all bills that are proposed pass as first proposed?

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Well, most bills don't have a deadline in two days now do they? Try to think before you speak.
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Well, most bills don't have a deadline in two days now do they? Try to think before you speak.
How long has Congress known the date the Fiscal Cliff would be triggered? It's not like this came up in the last two days or the last week for that matter.

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There is no need to lie. There have been numerous offers from both sides.
Yeah, they say they want spending cuts but refuse to name any.

Doesn't matter anyways since Boehner has lost control of the house.
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How long has Congress known the date the Fiscal Cliff would be triggered? It's not like this came up in the last two days or the last week for that matter.

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Who cares? The fact of the matter is, this is arguably the most polar discussion in Washington and has been for quite some time. I assume some do-gooders submitted bills but they probably never escaped committee because every bill is DOA until there is a handshake. Which is precisely why there needs to be an agreement before a bill its written and put to a vote.
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Yeah, they say they want spending cuts but refuse to name any.

Doesn't matter anyways since Boehner has lost control of the house.
Well, your merits of offer are likely an ever receding list of requirements so I'll just say both side have made offers worthy of negotiation.
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