[I feel purple]

Originally Posted by zerokai

Regional and affiliate league events should not carry the same ranking point weight as national events.

This.

[igotbanned-ibra5]

Originally Posted by bonusballas

I think the level below pro should be RT7. It will better prepare teams for the next level.

I would really like this. But most some teams might not afford it.

[jesters22]

ill sell a kidney in order to play some real xball again..

[Master Paintball21]

Originally Posted by Deimus85

Over the past few seasons, I have talked to many players, coaches, and other members of the paintball community regarding the PSP. Most of the discussion has been positive. PSP has the best refs, the best infrastructure, the best format of ranking, the best teams and players, and the best management. However, the current format is what seems to be the major complaint from the majority of people. Below is a simple suggestion regarding a change to the format which would make most players happy.

Pro: Keep it the same.
Semipro/D1: Same exact format as pro.
D2: Stays the same, reduce entry cost.
D3: Race to 5
D4: Race to 4
Race to 2 format remains the same.

Please post your thoughts, prayers, and suggestions.

As always, thank you Lane, Camille, Tom, Chris, and the rest of the PSP/APPA staff for doing an amazing job year in and year out!

do d1 race to 5 with penalty boxes
heres my reasoning:
bumping d3 to d2 you already pick up a change which is 1 more point to win.
bumping d2 to d1: incorporate penalty boxes to see how teams deal with these to let them get 1 step closer before finally making the big jump to pro

[eforce]

Originally Posted by Deimus85

Pro: Keep it the same.
Semipro/D1: Same exact format as pro.
D2: Stays the same, reduce entry cost.
D3: Race to 5
D4: Race to 4
Race to 2 format remains the same.

Please post your thoughts, prayers, and suggestions.

As always, thank you Lane, Camille, Tom, Chris, and the rest of the PSP/APPA staff for doing an amazing job year in and year out!

How do you plan on funding these changes? You'd be increasing man hours and decreasing income at current figures.

[Deimus85]

Yea. Increase Pro entry. There is no reason it should be the same as entry to D1, and it certainly shouldn't be cheaper than D2.

Prize for winning pro is double the amount for winning D1 at the same entry cost. The same is to be said about D2 compared to D1, except D2 costs more money in entry.

[RJtheMadSpecialist]

I like the proposed changes to the format. I will add though, that extending the time limit for matches a bit would be nice. I miss the old days of really long matches, I can see why it went away, but 12-15 minute matches for div. is way too short. Two 10 minute halves would be sweet.

[Cory688]

Originally Posted by zerokai

Regional and affiliate league events should not carry the same ranking point weight as national events.

This.

Current format makes absolutely no sense at all.

[Sand6452]

Originally Posted by sliverclan

How about we not **** with anything for 1 year.

This

Originally Posted by jesters22

ill sell a kidney in order to play some real xball again..

And this

[JCrim]

Originally Posted by eforce

How do you plan on funding these changes? You'd be increasing man hours and decreasing income at current figures.

Perfectly put. I was about to post something very similar.

If there was a division to be adjusted the obvious choice would be D1. Give it the same format as Pro or at least bring back the penalty box if nothing else. D1 is still the feeder to the pro division for teams and players.

[jesters22]

Originally Posted by JCrim

Perfectly put. I was about to post something very similar.

If there was a division to be adjusted the obvious choice would be D1. Give it the same format as Pro or at least bring back the penalty box if nothing else. D1 is still the feeder to the pro division for teams and players.

probly only time i will actualy agree with this guy.

and to ppl talking about teams affording to play d1, or anything.. if you cant afford to play d1 with 2 extra points.. then you dont belong in d1. and need to go home..

REAL XBALL, REAL LAYOUTS, BRING IT ALL BACK!!

[raehl]

Originally Posted by Deimus85

Yea. Increase Pro entry. There is no reason it should be the same as entry to D1, and it certainly shouldn't be cheaper than D2.

No reason? How about, because they're pros? Playing in the NFL is a much better financial position than playing in college, or high school.

Prize for winning pro is double the amount for winning D1 at the same entry cost. The same is to be said about D2 compared to D1, except D2 costs more money in entry.

If you think the entry fees/prizes for a higher division are better than the division you are in, move up a division.

If you don't want to move up a division because you'll lose, well, welcome to real life: Prizes are for winning, not for paying entry fees.

Better teams get better prizes. Seems obvious enough for me.

The league does not choose the size of the prize package in your division. YOU choose the size of the prize package in your division when YOU choose your division.

- Chris

[sliverclan]

Post the link where we can register to play in the pro division please.

[Deimus85]

Originally Posted by raehl

No reason? How about, because they're pros? Playing in the NFL is a much better financial position than playing in college, or high school.



If you think the entry fees/prizes for a higher division are better than the division you are in, move up a division.

If you don't want to move up a division because you'll lose, well, welcome to real life: Prizes are for winning, not for paying entry fees.

Better teams get better prizes. Seems obvious enough for me.

The league does not choose the size of the prize package in your division. YOU choose the size of the prize package in your division when YOU choose your division.

- Chris

I agree in all of your points Chris, however, the rationale behind why D2 entry is the most out of all the divisions has yet to be let known to me. As a result, I made the point that I made. I know the financial burden it takes to run a professional PSP team, and its not just paying for entry and paint at an event. Their overheads are considerably higher than even the most well-endowed Divisional team.

I am not in charge of the PSP, nor have I ever had the job of organizing anything on such a large scope. I do, however, understand that my proposed suggestions will add a considerable amount of infrastructural additions in terms of man hours. As a result, this thread was just a simple way of proposing changes to make the divisional teams a bit happier. Furthermore, I did not propose any extension in game times, other than D1 being the same exact format as the Professional division. Maybe even reducing the game clock on D1 games, but allowing a Race to 7 with penalty boxes can be figured out?

[FlashZ33]

Create a Semi-Pro division that uses the same exact rules as the Pro division.

After the season ends, bump the top four teams in D1 to Semi-Pro and drop the bottom four Pro teams to Semi-Pro. There you have an 8 team division. Enough teams for a solid competitive season.

Season winner of Semi-Pro bumps up to the Pro division the following season and the last place Pro team drops down to Semi-Pro.

[bigntastyeclipse08]

Originally Posted by FlashZ33

Create a Semi-Pro division that uses the same exact rules as the Pro division.

After the season ends, bump the top four teams in D1 to Semi-Pro and drop the bottom four Pro teams to Semi-Pro. There you have an 8 team division. Enough teams for a solid competitive season.

Season winner of Semi-Pro bumps up to the Pro division the following season and the last place Pro team drops down to Semi-Pro.

What happens if a semi pro team falls apart mid season? Does this hurt other divisions to make the semi-pro division happen and have 8 teams by taking one team from another division. I like the idea, its just hard to lock a division it seems, unless its one such as pro where thats the highest you can go.

[FlashZ33]

Originally Posted by bigntastyeclipse08

What happens if a semi pro team falls apart mid season? Does this hurt other divisions to make the semi-pro division happen and have 8 teams by taking one team from another division. I like the idea, its just hard to lock a division it seems, unless its one such as pro where thats the highest you can go.

What happens when a Pro team falls apart mid-season? It's the same concept.

[FullMetalJester]

they should make Pro a franchise league, and not have event winners. Leave the rest alone. I like the new semi-pro option with 4 up from D1 and 4 (or more) down from Pro.

[eforce]

Originally Posted by FlashZ33

What happens when a Pro team falls apart mid-season? It's the same concept.

The assumption you make in requiring the bottom 4 pro teams to drop down to semi-pro is that they will continue to play the season without imploding. When a pro team falls apart or bumps down, you can expect some of its players to be snapped up by other teams. Once some players start leaving, the rest follow. Furthermore, the PSP has finally found a balance between offering a multitude of divisions and filling those divisions. It makes no sense to dilute the system by stretching the league thin with another division.

Deimus, going back to your proposed suggestions - where do you think the PSP can find the income to cover the added cost without taking away from other divisions? This is the question you need to answer if there's any possibility of a change.

[FlashZ33]

Originally Posted by eforce

The assumption you make in requiring the bottom 4 pro teams to drop down to semi-pro is that they will continue to play the season without imploding. When a pro team falls apart or bumps down, you can expect some of its players to be snapped up by other teams. Once some players start leaving, the rest follow. Furthermore, the PSP has finally found a balance between offering a multitude of divisions and filling those divisions. It makes no sense to dilute the system by stretching the league thin with another division.

Deimus, going back to your proposed suggestions - where do you think the PSP can find the income to cover the added cost without taking away from other divisions? This is the question you need to answer if there's any possibility of a change.

Let's say, for arguments sake, the idea I have comes into play. If a Pro team bumps down to Semi-Pro and loses a couple of players to other Pro teams, why not scout some of the top players from D1 teams that didn't make the Semi-Pro cut? That would ultimately facilitate the movement of amateur players up the ranks.

In my opinion, the step for a D1 team to bump up to Pro is huge. I just think there needs to be another stepping stone in between.

[Dhops187]

Just bring the penality box back atleast for D1