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Old 11-06-2012, 01:16 PM #1
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Give me your COMPLETE opinion.

Ok so after taking off from the sport for a while due to working 70+ hours a week from work I have decided to get back onto the field. I sold off all my markers. Well since I do not have time to travel for leagues like PSP or other bigger tournys I have decided to go back to my roots and pick up a pump again and have a blast while doing it.

That being said I have been srs looking at the Empire Sniper as my marker of choice. I have watched videos and read about the feature. And from what I have seen it look like a good buy/choice for Big Games and some open play fun every sunday. So, what I would like to know from the public who have played with this marker for a while now. What are its biggest flaws and would you reccomend anything be done to it. Or should I look else where. Please be brutaly honest about your time useing the Empire sniper.

PS: Also tell me what you love about the Sniper.

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Old 11-06-2012, 02:39 PM #2
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I had an Empire Sniper. I loved it. Shot very consistant and accurate. Honestly I believe it was more accurate than my T2(stock) due to the great barrel and better consistancy. I prefer my T2's pump stroke and 86* frame, thats why I sold the Empire eventually. But I feel it is well worth the money, especially for the weekend warrior player.

The only downsides I found with the sniper were as follows:

1. It tore through detents. Never a huge deal, just something to know. Buy extra's.

2. The sled rubbed the body. Again not a big deal, and didn't effect performance at all. But it seemed no matter what I did the sled rubbed causing anno wear.

3. Tear down was kinda tedious. In no way was it complicated, but the screws holding the pump handle on had to be removed about a quarter turn at a time until loose enough to grab with your fingers. Again not a big deal(at least to me). Also when re-installing the valve the ivg threads would sometimes slice an o-ring causing the marker to leak once aired up. So take extra care if you ever perform this operation.

4. The asa degassed really slowly. Still worked as it should but kinda annoying.

Those are the only flaws I experienced with my Sniper in the 6 months or so using it. All minor in my opinion. Other than those it's a great marker, and I reccomend it to people all the time. Hope this info helps a little.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:24 PM #3
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Thank you for the reply. Sound to me like standard problem you get wit any marker actually. Nothing major.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:08 PM #4
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While the Sniper is not a bad choice and I think they did a great job on the barrel kit, I would highly recommend you save a little extra $$ and get a dust CCM with an 86* frame; which is not a ton more money. Now this is all personal opinion but I've shot both and the CCM is just all around a better gun. The pump stroke on the CCM is like butter and each gun is hand made and tested before its ever sent out. When you get your gun, it will be perfect. If you plan on making the pump a main gun, this is the way to go. It's not a fad that teams like Total Greif, and True Ballers exclusively use these guns, it's because they are the best (I know cheap plug). Where else can you buy a paintball gun for $600 new and sell it 2 years later for $500?

My suggestion is try to test out both before you make a final decision.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:34 PM #5
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Well I looked at CCM s6's and T2's and brand new they were either something like 650 something and 700 something. I know they are the nicest pumps around I owned a S6 2 years ago. Idk if I wanna shell out that kind of money again for something I may only use twice a month.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:25 PM #6
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Build your own reliable gun for about $150 for a complete setup, then upgrade as necessary, i.e. CCM frame/autotrigger, new reg, etc.

Part of the fun of playing pump, IMO, is building/tinkering with the gun to get it tuned to your satisfaction.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:38 PM #7
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buy an autococker oracle and convert it into a pump that is one of the smoothests pumps ever.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:18 AM #8
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Yeah i'v looked at oracle bodys and everything else. But for what I want it comes out to be around 500-550.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:45 PM #9
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If you're not going to spend the cash now and buy ccm, build a sniper from the ground up with their parts.

Or buy older model ccm, s5 or ss25. Cheaper out of pocket and same output.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:34 PM #10
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The Sniper is a fantastic value, but simply doesn't measure up to a gun you feel "right" with... in my case, a CCM S6.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:31 PM #11
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It's all a matter of personal choice. I prefer my Empire Sniper over the S6 I had. Having said that, if I go out to play and want the best chance of hitting something while snap shooting, I grab my Phantom. But the Empire Sniper is solid. It's definitely good value in my opinion.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:31 PM #12
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You should try a Sanchez machine sm1.. It's a very solid gun accurate pump..
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:13 AM #13
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I had an Empire Sniper. I loved it. Shot very consistant and accurate. Honestly I believe it was more accurate than my T2(stock) due to the great barrel and better consistancy. I prefer my T2's pump stroke and 86* frame, thats why I sold the Empire eventually. But I feel it is well worth the money, especially for the weekend warrior player.

The only downsides I found with the sniper were as follows:

1. It tore through detents. Never a huge deal, just something to know. Buy extra's.

2. The sled rubbed the body. Again not a big deal, and didn't effect performance at all. But it seemed no matter what I did the sled rubbed causing anno wear.

3. Tear down was kinda tedious. In no way was it complicated, but the screws holding the pump handle on had to be removed about a quarter turn at a time until loose enough to grab with your fingers. Again not a big deal(at least to me). Also when re-installing the valve the ivg threads would sometimes slice an o-ring causing the marker to leak once aired up. So take extra care if you ever perform this operation.

4. The asa degassed really slowly. Still worked as it should but kinda annoying.

Those are the only flaws I experienced with my Sniper in the 6 months or so using it. All minor in my opinion. Other than those it's a great marker, and I reccomend it to people all the time. Hope this info helps a little.
This guy nailed it. I never had sled drag or problems degassing, but other then that, I had an almost identical experience.

I had a sniper and loved it. Great value, light, accurate, efficient, consistent, smooth and pretty light pump stroke, and is solid in your hands. However, I recently sold it and bought a new 86 framed T2, mainly for the lighter pump stroke and the color.

My only complaints with the Sniper are:

1. The detents wear out due to the bolt o-rings dragging so much.
2. They used different size screws for the Stock Class feedneck and the Open Class feedneck. It's not a big deal, but it annoyed me to switch allen wrenches.
3. For me, the marker played really short and because the ASA mounts to the frame, there's only so far back that you can move it. Also, since the dovetail groove on the ASA is not a common pattern, I couldn't just buy a standard rail or reverse drop to move my tank back without also having to use a different ASA - which sucked because I REALLY love the empire front outlet ASA.

Overall, I would still recommend the Empire Sniper to anyone looking for the best *new* pump for under $600.
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Oiling an o-ring can prevent slicing.

CCM sells new guns for $525. Just sayin'.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:05 PM #15
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Oiling an o-ring can prevent slicing.
I lubed before each use. After 4 cases, one was sheared off at the end of the day. Maybe it was a fluke, but based on other posts, I'm not the only one that experienced the problem. Thanks for the info though!

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CCM sells new guns for $525. Just sayin'.
What marker is it and when did you see that price? I bought a new T2 two months ago and the price list that was sent to me started at $600 and went up from there. I was also told that it was the same for the S6.5. I never asked about the S6, but based on eBay new prices, it's at least the same. Just askin'.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:32 AM #16
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Call them. Tell them what you want. I'm sure Mel will do her best to match your needs with a reasonable cost.

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Old 11-16-2012, 11:17 AM #17
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Dust guns have been $525 for years. Polished have always been more ($600 base).
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Dust guns have been $525 for years. Polished have always been more ($600 base).
Yea, times must be a changin' then. They never differentiated between dust or gloss, only by the total number of colors. 1 color = xxx, 2 colors = yyy, etc...
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I love my gold/black CCM S6, I just wish I could use it for tournaments this upcoming season

Nice! I had to ditch my yellow Karni this past season due to the color rules, so I feel your pain.
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