[StellarKnight]

Originally Posted by Overbear

Why not, they want to enforce their ways on other peoples bodies. Sounds like a perfect reason to lock them up, or better yet put them down.

Summary execution for attempting to tell other what they can or cannot do with their bodies.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got 12 rails of coke I need to shove up my nose.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by Overbear

Why not, they want to enforce their ways on other peoples bodies. Sounds like a perfect reason to lock them up, or better yet put them down.

Logical solution. Wait. Gays want to get married. Instead of jailing people who support traditional marriage we should just jail gays instead. Its much more feasible and economically sound since you constitute such a small percentage of the population. You opened up my eyes overbear.

[Overbear]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

Logical solution. Wait. Gays want to get married. Instead of jailing people who support traditional marriage we should just jail gays instead. Its much more feasible and economically sound since you constitute such a small percentage of the population. You opened up my eyes overbear.

As a typical lib, this is where you just don't get it.

the lib view is "take somthing away, take their rights away" the convervitive view is "let them alone, don't make any rules/laws that would curtail their rights".

Its always amusing when biblethumping libs like you step in and think you know what you are talking about *pats your head* children, should be seen and not heard.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by Overbear

As a typical lib, this is where you just don't get it.

the lib view is "take somthing away, take their rights away" the convervitive view is "let them alone, don't make any rules/laws that would curtail their rights".

Its always amusing when biblethumping libs like you step in and think you know what you are talking about *pats your head* children, should be seen and not heard.

Yeah you know what. Never mind. I'm out.

[TheSilentAssassin]

martian is neither a bible-thumper or a liberal. nice try, though.

[Overbear]

Get back to us when you are old enough to understand.

[ElJefe13]

Whether its right or not, it happens all the time. And, most likely, the media has blown this way out of proportion. (sigh) Again.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

martian is neither a bible-thumper or a liberal. nice try, though.

I would love to see evidence personally.

[marcozombie]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

Wait. You want to jail people who are against abortion?

Uh, no, not at all. But if we are already 'baiting' extremists from one faith to stop them or at least peg them, why not from another? Remind me to get you a Jumping To Conclusions mat for Christmas.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by marcozombie

Uh, no, not at all. But if we are already 'baiting' extremists from one faith to stop them or at least peg them, why not from another? Remind me to get you a Jumping To Conclusions mat for Christmas.

What does faith have to do with abortion?

[marcozombie]

Nothing, but if we are looking for extremists in one group (muslims) why not look for extremists in another gropu (anti-abortion nuts).
If im making a connection between the two (extreme christian right wingers and extreme anti-abortionists), its because the faith and movement are intertwined:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism


Beginning after the Civil War, members of the Protestant-led[63] Ku Klux Klan organization began engaging in arson, beatings, cross burning, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, and whipping against African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

They were explicitly Christian terrorist in ideology, basing their beliefs on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[64] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time on, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible," and believe that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[65] Their cross-burnings were conducted not only to intimidate targets, but to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the lighting ritual was steeped in Christian symbolism, including the saying of prayers and singing of Christian hymns.[66] Many modern Klan organizations, such as the Knights Party, USA, continue to focus on the Christian supremacist message, asserting that there is a "war" on to destroy "western Christian civilization."

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[67][68][69] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[70] A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."[71][72] The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was a belief that abortion is criminal and immoral, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.[73][74] The Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub, were made by Eric Robert Rudolph; Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist, whereas James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues instead that Rudolph was inspired only in part by religious considerations.[75]

Hutaree was a Christian militia group based in Adrian, Michigan. In 2010, after an FBI agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy to use of improvised explosive devices, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.[76] On March 28, 2012, the conspiracy charges were dismissed.[77] Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, Defensive Action, The Freemen Community, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".[

[Iamamartianchurch]

Why don't you extend it to "nuts" in general and call it good?

[automagsrule]

So no one has a problem when an informant snitches on a suspected crack dealer but as soon as they snitch on a suspected terrorist its wrong?

[Volucris]

Originally Posted by SupraSuper

It sucks, but it's the reality us Muslims are facing in America today. To tell you the truth, it's the least of my worries. We're a stronger population than the douche bags at the NYPD anyway. You only have so much push on a population of mostly doctors, engineers, scientists, and lawyers.

Kinda like the muslim kid from saudi arabia in my college town who shot and murdered a well-respected business owner over a petty sum of money. Yeah, stereotypes and anecdotes are great. By the way that scumbag was getting his pilot's license. Wonder what he planned on doing with it.

[SupraSuper]

Since when have Muslims been stereotyped as shooting business owners over small sums of money? I thought that was black people.

[marcozombie]

Originally Posted by SupraSuper

Since when have Muslims been stereotyped as shooting business owners over small sums of money? I thought that was black people.

Mexicans will shoot you for getting their daughter pregnant if they don't make you marry them first... And we have long greasy mustaches and say 'seenior' a lot.

[marcozombie]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

Why don't you extend it to "nuts" in general and call it good?

No, I'd like to keep it just to established, organized and known politically and/or religiously motivated nuts.

[mawnky]

Originally Posted by yesme

So if i walked up to you in a bar, and said man i wish this president would(fill in the blank) and you agreed with me, then it would be cool with you to spend the rest of your life in jail for threats?

I have 2 points though. 1) nobody got arrested 2) if i'm saying stupid **** that might be an indication to violent acts later and I say it in a public setting, I should not be surprised when the athorities find out in one way or another.

From the article what I understand is that he went up to people and said hey how bout this all... then noted what they said. Now if he went up to them and said hey don't you feel like blowing things up lately right... then ok I could totally see the argument for baiting. An argument could even made for entrapment. But what I am bothered by is the fact that people think this is all new and we shouldn't do it. This is another casualty of political correctness. "They are muslims we shouldn't be investigating because then we are profiling". We do this with other people. We do it with biker gangs, we do it with black drug dealers, we do it with mexican gangs and cartels, and even with... gasp... aryan gangs, you know the white people.

The way I see it is people think they are loosing freedoms that really don't apply. They think big brother is watching. Your out in the public though everyone is watching. Also you could bet your *** off that if something happened and was plotted by such people then the public would call out and say why didn't we take better precautions and didn't do something to prevent and capture those responsible before hand.

I don't get why people are so up in arms about the police doing... POLICE WORK.

[katsung47]

Here is a typical sample happened just last month. As usual, the FBI conduct the whole case and supplied a bomb to the "terrorist" and then said they foiled the terror case.

17 October 2012

US Federal Reserve 'bomb plot' foiled by FBI

US officials have arrested a man for plotting to detonate what he thought was a massive bomb in front of the Federal Reserve building in New York.

Mr Nafis was placed under surveillance, and the undercover FBI agent sold him 20 bags of what he said were 50lb of explosives. The suspect then bought and assembled detonators and timing devices.

Officials said there had never been any actual threat.

Mr Nafis had been closely watched by the FBI
The arrest is the latest in a series of so-called "sting" operations run by the FBI and anti-terror authorities in the US.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19985987