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View Poll Results: Is Alex Jones accurate?
Alex Jones is onto something here, Hurricane Sandy was suspicious 11 30.56%
Jones is correct that the technology to strengthen and weaken hurricanes is there, but governemnt did not use it here 2 5.56%
Alex Jones is completely out of his mind 23 63.89%
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:06 PM #22
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When did I defend alex jones?
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:03 PM #23
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:15 AM #24
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Yeah, look up cloud seeding.
A hurricane's potential for damage is predicated on its rotational velocity (and therefore wind-speed), even the flooding is caused by the winds pushing water from the ocean onto the land (known as the "storm surge"). Cloud seeding is a technique used to generate rainfall only, and even a unprecedented cloud seeding effort would be insignificant compared to the amount of water vapor a storm that size would pick up from traveling over open water (i.e. the ocean).
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:46 AM #25
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It looks like 5 of you need to go back to school and take a few classes in basic science... and I mean BASIC.

Hurricane's can't be whipped up by "cloud seeding" all that does is put particulate matter into the clouds to form raindrops around that then give a higher chance of...rain.

So 5 of you (and whoever this bat**** insane Alex guy is) think, that you can just fly a plane into a cloud, and whip up the kind of temperture inversions required to spin a storm up to even H1 level hurricanes? Do you comprehend just how insane that makes you? Can any of you even fathom the kind of forces we are talking about here?

You think, that the goverment can control ocean tempratures, sun tempratures, rate of reflextion, ocean current speeds, jet streem speeds, and air temprature across a 2000+ mile area...

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Literally zero people have said hurricanes can be created.
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Literally zero people have said hurricanes can be created.
Blake thought it "wasn't nonsense" because "we have the technology". But I'm not quite sure how counts...
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:08 AM #28
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Hurricane Sandy was manufactured by the GOP to suppress voters after a desperate attempt to pass voter ID laws, failed.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:34 AM #29
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It looks like 5 of you need to go back to school and take a few classes in basic science... and I mean BASIC.

Hurricane's can't be whipped up by "cloud seeding" all that does is put particulate matter into the clouds to form raindrops around that then give a higher chance of...rain.

So 5 of you (and whoever this bat**** insane Alex guy is) think, that you can just fly a plane into a cloud, and whip up the kind of temperture inversions required to spin a storm up to even H1 level hurricanes? Do you comprehend just how insane that makes you? Can any of you even fathom the kind of forces we are talking about here?

You think, that the goverment can control ocean tempratures, sun tempratures, rate of reflextion, ocean current speeds, jet streem speeds, and air temprature across a 2000+ mile area...

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Old 11-05-2012, 11:41 AM #30
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Hurricane Sandy was manufactured by the GOP to suppress voters after a desperate attempt to pass voter ID laws, failed.
Duh. Their first tactic didn't work, so now they're on to this. The GOP have a secret, hidden agenda with resources they're unwilling to tell us about.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:55 AM #31
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:02 PM #32
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We can manipulate hurricanes. Whether or not it's very effective is a different discussion.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:16 PM #33
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Duh. Their first tactic didn't work, so now they're on to this. The GOP have a secret, hidden agenda with resources they're unwilling to tell us about.
This was a grand attempt to create the sunken city of Atlanta. A hidden sanctuary, free of dark skinned pagans.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:17 PM #34
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We can manipulate hurricanes. Whether or not it's very effective is a different discussion.
Effectiveness and whether or not we're capable of doing something are the same discussion. Directed light technically changes the course of a mass in flight, but we don't go around saying we can alter the trajectory of baseballs with laser pointers.

Cite your sources.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:19 PM #35
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Do you seriously believe anyone here actually thinks that the government created hurricane sandy? Do you ever read onion articles and get really ****ing upset about their factually incorrect content?

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Old 11-05-2012, 12:25 PM #36
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Effectiveness and whether or not we're capable of doing something are the same discussion. Directed light technically changes the course of a mass in flight, but we don't go around saying we can alter the trajectory of baseballs with laser pointers.

Cite your sources.
Can cloud seeding not remove moisture from the atmosphere?
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Can cloud seeding not remove moisture from the atmosphere?
Yes, but whether or not that has any meaningful impact on a hurricane is the important question with regards to whether or not we're capable of manipulating them.
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Yes, but whether or not that has any meaningful impact on a hurricane is the important question with regards to whether or not we're capable of manipulating them.
So you agree with me up until the definition of manipulation?
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If cloud seeding can remove moisture, which is a key component for hurricanes, how can you not manipulate the hurricane? It may not be appreciable, but it's still manipulation.

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If cloud seeding can remove moisture, which is a key component for hurricanes, how can you not manipulate the hurricane? It may not be appreciable, but it's still manipulation.
Effect sizes. If there were some way to look at some huge number of identical hurricanes, I seriously doubt cloud seeding would have any measurable effect, ergo we cannot manipulate hurricanes.

If there is no measurable effect of cloud seeding on a hurricane, that's the end of the discussion. It's an issue of relative magnitudes and noise inherent to the system.
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Effect sizes. If there were some way to look at some huge number of identical hurricanes, I seriously doubt cloud seeding would have any measurable effect, ergo we cannot manipulate hurricanes.

If there is no measurable effect of cloud seeding on a hurricane, that's the end of the discussion. It's an issue of relative magnitudes and noise inherent to the system.
So we're back to my original post?

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That guy is way too ****ing obnoxious. Sure they can seed clouds and do some cool stuff, but if it were so easy, cheap and effective, don't you think insurance companies would do this instead of paying out billions in claims?
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