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Old 11-07-2012, 02:32 PM #106
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:36 PM #108
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I didn't really see much to say (as I really didn't say much of anything). What would you like me to respond to?

You do realize that my "but it's fair and balanced" was in response to "I also over heard them <Fox> one morning blaming all the deaths from Sandy on Obama."
A) Admit you were wrong, didn't read the link?
B) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBHfhkFtio8

Did you see what Chris Matthews said? Do I see you ever bash anyone but Fox? I've seen you be critical of Fox multiple times. Reason - you're a liberal. I want people to start being more impartial, but folks here keep this partisan hack **** alive. And I'm calling people out, both sides, every time I see it. I just did the "Republican" members weeks ago here.

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Also, as I have said before, I am not a liberal (and neither is martian). Seeing the intellectual dishonestly of the right doesn't make you left.
Ok well I see a lot more of you calling it out on the right and not the left, and it's on both sides. See above video?

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To answer the question posted - the Republicans need to cut some of the religion from their platform. That is what they need to do IMO, and I would support that 100%.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:40 PM #109
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:51 PM #110
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A) Admit you were wrong, didn't read the link?
B) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBHfhkFtio8

Did you see what Chris Matthews said? Do I see you ever bash anyone but Fox? I've seen you be critical of Fox multiple times. Reason - you're a liberal. I want people to start being more impartial, but folks here keep this partisan hack **** alive. And I'm calling people out, both sides, every time I see it. I just did the "Republican" members weeks ago here.



Ok well I see a lot more of you calling it out on the right and not the left, and it's on both sides. See above video?

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To answer the question posted - the Republicans need to cut some of the religion from their platform. That is what they need to do IMO, and I would support that 100%.
Or they could embrace all religious conservatives instead of just Christians. After all, religion is a huge part of conservatism and most traditions tend to see eye to eye on social issues. Sorry, but calling yourself a conservative because you believe in fiscal responsibility or closed borders is stupid. You don't have to be religious, but if you are claiming to be a conservative you better at least be for the principles of authority, hierarchy and patriarchy.

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Maybe a line of vagrants?
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:18 PM #111
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A) Admit you were wrong, didn't read the link?
God, you are a bad poster. You are mad over a post that wasn't even aimed at you...
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Ok well I see a lot more of you calling it out on the right and not the left, and it's on both sides. See above video?
I already responded to this as well.
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I want real discourse, not the **** the right is throwing. Yes, I call out the right more often in this forum. There are also a lot more ignorant rights around here to call out. If I had to pick someone (I would rather not) that I align myself with it would be closer to David Brooks or Andrew Sullivan than most liberals. But as I have said before, I don't have strong political connections. I didn't even vote this election. I just know bull**** when I see it.

I will gladly admit that Chris Matthews is an idiot and the video is quite funny. Where have I ever defended Chris Matthews?
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:29 PM #112
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God, you are a bad poster. You are mad over a post that wasn't even aimed at you...
Was in response to something I said. You were wrong.


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Ok well I plan to call people out that tend to call out one party only. Both parties are to blame, and people like Gonzo and Carl that think only one party is guilty are completely warped.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:31 PM #113
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Was in response to something I said. You were wrong.

Ok well I plan to call people out that tend to call out one party only. Both parties are to blame, and people like Gonzo and Carl that think only one party is guilty are completely warped.
Okay, now you are just a troll. Go away.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:37 PM #114
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It's safe to say the demographic has shifted. If Romney couldn't communicate conservative ideals eloquently, I'm afraid to say I'm not sure who could. Barring some sort of great communicator arising from the ashes, adjustments have to be made to the party platform.

Perhaps making marijuana and immigration states rights issues, hopping on the privacy rights thing as Obama has dropped the mantle...who knows just throwing out random ideas.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:43 PM #115
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Okay, now you are just a troll. Go away.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...866705&page=41

RIGHT THERE

You were clearly responding to something I said. Now you're taking a page out of Carl's book with a worthless one liner, unable to admit you were wrong.

When's the last time you had a wordy reply with any shred of factual basis or meaningful insight to any topic? Not everyone does every day, but once in a while to be sure. I have had my share of them, notably with Umami. Trolls don't engage in meaningful dialogue.

I find your lack of actual dialogue around here interesting, considering the quote here of yours I am replying to. Seen a black pot around lately? Or a kettle?
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:44 PM #116
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Hey how about we talk about the Republican party instead? OK.

I think they should swing hard right. There is no sense in going left on some issues and not others since the Left already has the Democrats. Don't take this as an endorsement of anything. I think that if the Republicans have any hope of surviving, they need to stop trying to play both sides of the aisle.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:50 PM #117
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Republicans will probably start pandering to some group to widen appeal. Like Asians or something. Maybe they'll cave on abortion for rape and incest victims, they need to do something. Not because of this election, it's been overdue for a decade at least.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:08 PM #119
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http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...866705&page=41

RIGHT THERE

You were clearly responding to something I said. Now you're taking a page out of Carl's book with a worthless one liner, unable to admit you were wrong.

When's the last time you had a wordy reply with any shred of factual basis or meaningful insight to any topic? Not everyone does every day, but once in a while to be sure. I have had my share of them, notably with Umami. Trolls don't engage in meaningful dialogue.

I find your lack of actual dialogue around here interesting, considering the quote here of yours I am replying to. Seen a black pot around lately? Or a kettle?
Firstly, I was clearly responding to rampage (as I quoted him) specifically the part about Fox.

Secondly, are you really complaining about me going off topic while going on an off topic tirade about me?

Thirdly, do you realize you started this whole thing by not answering this:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...5#post77187485
Hypocrite.

Now that's enough. I have had quite plenty of your ***** fest against me ruining good (well okay) threads. I will be ignoring any more comments about me. Continue ruining threads with you off topic assaults and we will get a mod to make you stop.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:10 PM #120
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Real limited government. Limited government means less drug control, less obsession over prohibiting abortion, less interfering in personal life as well as less taxes and less regulation.
Hi Gary Johnson.

Seriously though, what's the point the Republican party going for libertarians? They aren't a substantial portion of the population nor do they jive well with conservatives. Better than progressives do sure, but like I said, what is the point of going soft Left?
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Then the republicans lose forever *shrug* I'm just stating what would make me vote republican. I don't think libertarians are soft left or whatever, because I think an obsession with government enforced tradition and morals is not what is truly conservative.
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Then the republicans lose forever *shrug* I'm just stating what would make me vote republican. I don't think libertarians are soft left or whatever, because I think an obsession with government enforced tradition and morals is not what is truly conservative.
I don't know. I think there are more silent conservatives who are scared away from the Republican party.

No, true tradition is church enforced. Even the head of state was subjected to it. Call it a.....balance of power. Anyway. There is a sensible path and that is to let states determine it. Allow regional traditions & morals to be enforced and reinforced. The federal government has no business in any such affairs as per the constitution. Pending a revision of the 14th of course.
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One final note, my logic is simply this: the liberty of the community is more important than the liberty of the individual.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:24 PM #124
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The republicans use a one-size fits all model to politics, and blatantly ignore the unique issues to different demographics.

They say that through limited govt, a free enterprise system, and hard work, everybody has the chance to succeed.

The issue is that this only resonates with white voters (mostly) because the 'American Dream' aka middle/upper class, have been predominantly white males.

Republicans simply need to take a look at all the different demographic groups and see WHY they struggle and present ideas on HOW they can help better their situation.

Basically republicans use a message that has worked great for white males and resonates with them and they try to apply it to all other demographics.

They need to understand culture and tune their message of those specific groups if they care to succeed.
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The republicans use a one-size fits all model to politics, and blatantly ignore the unique issues to different demographics.

They say that through limited govt, a free enterprise system, and hard work, everybody has the chance to succeed.

The issue is that this only resonates with white voters (mostly) because the 'American Dream' aka middle/upper class, have been predominantly white males.

Republicans simply need to take a look at all the different demographic groups and see WHY they struggle and present ideas on HOW they can help better their situation.

Basically republicans use a message that has worked great for white males and resonates with them and they try to apply it to all other demographics.

They need to understand culture and tune their message of those specific groups if they care to succeed.
Sounds more like a strategy to get elected for the sake of being elected. Not because you represent a direction or uphold a set of principles.
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The republicans use a one-size fits all model to politics, and blatantly ignore the unique issues to different demographics.

They say that through limited govt, a free enterprise system, and hard work, everybody has the chance to succeed.

The issue is that this only resonates with white voters (mostly) because the 'American Dream' aka middle/upper class, have been predominantly white males.

Republicans simply need to take a look at all the different demographic groups and see WHY they struggle and present ideas on HOW they can help better their situation.

Basically republicans use a message that has worked great for white males and resonates with them and they try to apply it to all other demographics.

They need to understand culture and tune their message of those specific groups if they care to succeed.
The tricky thing about that is ... certain class groups are struggling regardless of racial demographics within those groups. Certain racial demographics inhabit higher class groups more than others. There are historic bases to these situations, so those need to be addressed and rectified.
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