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Old 11-03-2012, 10:33 AM #1
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gotta love how unions work
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:11 AM #2
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Yeah, this is pretty absurd. Got a lineman buddy who was turned away for not being part of the union, so they stayed up there and filled another request instead.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:13 AM #3
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As I have said for years and years, Unions are a HUGE problem in this country. They help no one but themselves, cost all of us (as consumers/taxpayers) money, and have no care for the country as a whole.

Unions, ALL unions should be desolved and outlawed, the time for them has past. All the reasons they were formed have been solved with laws and oversite like OSHA and such.
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As I have said for years and years, Unions are a HUGE problem in this country. They help no one but themselves, cost all of us (as consumers/taxpayers) money, and have no care for the country as a whole.

Unions, ALL unions should be desolved and outlawed, the time for them has past. All the reasons they were formed have been solved with laws and oversite like OSHA and such.
Stupid comment is stupid. A lot of unions are in fact useless, too powerful, and corrupt but to label all of them as such is simply retarded. It is nice to have a security blanket of health insurance, fair wages, and worker's compensation if injured on the job. When I was working non union, I did not have those perks. I currently work a fairly dangerous job with the possibility of receiving severe burns or losing a finger being relatively high. If there was no union protecting the workers at my factory, I can only imagine how ****ty it would be to work there.
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:14 PM #6
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Conservative fiction

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Old 11-03-2012, 02:20 PM #7
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wrong....read what you post next time. I realize that the liberal media really wants to cover this up, but they're wrong in doing so.

this is from your article....
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A third Alabama utility, Decatur Utilities, said its employees were asked to affiliate with a union before starting to work on the power restoration in the aftermath of superstorm Sandy, AL.com reported.
the next quote is from an article that was posted today, nov. 3rd.

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"We were presented documents from IBEW that required our folks to affiliate with the unions and that was something we could not agree to."

Decatur Utilities later released a statement expanding on that, "Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas."
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:58 PM #8
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Are you illiterate? It says they worked. This is a false story pushed by conservatives.
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Old 11-03-2012, 05:01 PM #9
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Are you illiterate? It says they worked. This is a false story pushed by conservatives.
Are you illiterate? It says eight of them worked in Denton, Maryland. The article doesn't even list which group those eight were with. Huntsville and Decatur are NOT the same city. Bascially they asked a spokesman a question that wasn't even affiliated with the original story. Great journalism there.

There are 3 different crews in question here all originally sent to different places: Decatur, Huntsville, and Joe Wheeler. Your article does a horrible job of reporting. There was an article released today that says the opposite from a news station in Huntsville. I believe they know the lay of the land better than huffington post or whatever liberal blog you read.
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Your story has been debunked. This story is flat-out false and pushed by conservatives and Fox News for political purposes. It is conservative misinformation.

http://blogs.app.com/politicspatrol/...abama-utility/
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DECATUR, Ala. (WHNT) – Utility crews from all over the nation are helping with power restoration efforts in the northeast. Decatur Utilities sent a six-man crew to assist earlier this week, but the crew came home a day later.

There have been a number of reports circulating about why the crew turned around. WHNT News 19 has been working to get to the bottom of this matter.

The Decatur Utilities workers left Decatur on Wednesday, October 31, bound for Seaside Heights, New Jersey. They arrived at a staging area in Virginia to wait for an assignment.

DU General Manager Ray Harbin spoke about the matter at a news conference Friday afternoon. Some reports had circulated, claiming our local utility crews were turned away. The IBEW, the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers denies that. Harbin also confirmed his crews were not turned away.

Harbin said his office received a 31-page document which implied a requirement of his employees to agree to union affiliation while working in New York and New Jersey. Earlier, it was thought that document came from IBEW. IBEW denied that, and Friday afternoon, Harbin clarified the paperwork came from Electric Cities of Alabama.

ECA is a coalition of Alabama’s municipally owned electric utilities. Several north Alabama cities are members, including Huntsville, Hartselle, Athens, Florence, Fort Payne, Guntersville and others.

Harbin said the ECA sent the document to his offices for planning purposes. The ECA said Decatur Utilities might encounter this, because New Jersey is a heavy union state.

Decatur Utilities looked at the document, and Harbin said it indicated his workers would have to sign to become union members and pay union dues. But again, that was not the case.

“IBEW local leaders in New Jersey have reiterated what has been the long standing record of our union – in times of crisis all help is welcome and we pull together with everyone to meet the needs of the public,” IBEW President Ed Hill said in a statement Friday.

“Our members and others are working side by side to help people in New Jersey and all affected states get their power back and recover from the effects of the storm,” Hill went on to say. “The IBEW will continue to give it our all, working with anyone who shares our commitment to safety and service to ensure relief for the people of the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast.”

Communication was also poor due to lack of cell phone service. Because of this, Decatur Utilities decided to pull its crews back.

“It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas,” Decatur Utilities said in a news release issued Friday morning. “As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources. To be clear, at no time were our crews ‘turned away’ from the utility in Seaside Heights.”

Decatur Utilities said it tried to contact other areas that needed assistance.

“However, based on the uncertainty of union requirements that we could not agree to and the uncertainty of whether a resolution could be reached, we ultimately made the decision to return them to Decatur after being stalled in the Virginia area most of the day on Thursday,” the news release read.
In fact, the "turned away" part of the story was debunked from day one, no one ever said anyone was "turned away" except conservative liars. Shame on your dishonesty.
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Your story has been debunked. This story is flat-out false and pushed by conservatives and Fox News for political purposes. It is conservative misinformation.

http://blogs.app.com/politicspatrol/...abama-utility/
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Not flat out false, more like a few big misunderstandings.

It was local news that broke the story, it was local news that said "turned away".
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Not flat out false, more like a few big misunderstandings.

It was local news that broke the story, it was local news that said "turned away".
It is flat out false. Unions had nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with anything that happened. N O T H I N G. Help was NEVER turned away. The conservative boss of the Decatur company totally ****ed up, **** his pants, and made the wrong call. The story is as wrong as it could possibly have been.
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When I was working non union, I did not have those perks.
Then the place you worked was out of compliment with state and federal laws, and you had all the power in the world to call in OSHA and sue the crap out of the place.

Unions are obsolete.
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It is flat out false. Unions had nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with anything that happened. N O T H I N G. Help was NEVER turned away. The conservative boss of the Decatur company totally ****ed up, **** his pants, and made the wrong call. The story is as wrong as it could possibly have been.
You're blowing this out of proportion.

Lets look at the facts:

Bama crew goes to help Seaside Heigts, Nj

While in staging area, they get pulled back home because some paperwork they received looked like it said their dudes would have to pay union dues to work in Jersey

Local news says the Bama crew was turned away

Bama company thinks paperwork came from union, not sure

Union says not them, but they will in instigate regardless

Finds out paperwork came from ECA (not the company that employs these workers)

Union says they have long standing agreement during casualties, where nonunion workers can work in the closed shop known as NJ

Bama crewgoes to Staten Island to work

So, where were we?
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You're blowing this out of proportion.

Lets look at the facts:

Bama crew goes to help Seaside Heigts, Nj

While in staging area, they get pulled back home because some paperwork they received looked like it said their dudes would have to pay union dues to work in Jersey

Local news says the Bama crew was turned away

Bama company thinks paperwork came from union, not sure

Union says not them, but they will in instigate regardless

Finds out paperwork came from ECA (not the company that employs these workers)

Union says they have long standing agreement during casualties, where nonunion workers can work in the closed shop known as NJ

Bama crewgoes to Staten Island to work

So, where were we?
Will you admit that this is not at all the narrative being pushed by Fox?
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Will you admit that this is not at all the narrative being pushed by Fox?
I don't know what Fox's narrative is. I only saw the original local news article and updates from other sources.
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It is flat out false. Unions had nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with anything that happened. N O T H I N G. Help was NEVER turned away. The conservative boss of the Decatur company totally ****ed up, **** his pants, and made the wrong call. The story is as wrong as it could possibly have been.
Regardless, unions are still flat out evil and wrong, even if (as it apears and thank you for posting that folowup article), they did not "turn away" help.
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Yeah, this is pretty absurd. Got a lineman buddy who was turned away for not being part of the union, so they stayed up there and filled another request instead.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.
I'm not known for being conservative, and neither is my buddy. He's not from Alabama, though, so he's not part of the above linked story (we're from GA).
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