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Old 09-10-2014, 09:54 PM #1
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Bolt Wont Stay Back - Leaking Down Barrel

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Issue: Bolt stays forward upon airing up the marker with massive leak down barrel. Im not familiar with troubleshooting these markers as its really the first time Im trying to finish it up and use it. Any info is greatly appreciated.


Edit: Replaced outside can orings on front can. Same results. Re-lubed firing assembly. Same results. Gonna replace the inner o-ring on my delrin bolt sleeve & retest.
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Old 09-10-2014, 10:22 PM #2
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What is your reg set at? Shocker noids don't usually seal until at least 150 psi so if you connect a tank with the pressure set too low it will leak like that.

Edit: totally didn't even read that it has an ego noid.

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Old 09-10-2014, 10:41 PM #3
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What is your reg set at? Shocker noids don't usually seal until at least 150 psi so if you connect a tank with the pressure set too low it will leak like that.

Edit: totally didn't even read that it has an ego noid.
Yea, i did adjust the pressure on the reg as well but I dont run a gauge on my setup. Its a marker thats been put together over the course of a year or so. I know when it was aired up like 6 months ago it did not leak but its been taken apart numerous time since then and never really aired up since then either.

Replaced the inner can oring>same results. I can push the bolt back when its leaking down the barrel and it continues to leak & not retract.
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Old 09-10-2014, 10:57 PM #4
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If the noides end cap is backwards this it will do this as well. If you took the noid apart then this might be the cause
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Old 09-10-2014, 11:26 PM #5
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If the noides end cap is backwards this it will do this as well. If you took the noid apart then this might be the cause
Hmm i don't recall ever taking the noid apart to be honest. But that's not to say it hasn't been done..ill check it out. Anyone have pics of how the ego solenoid should look?
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Old 09-11-2014, 07:54 AM #6
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You may have a wrong sized oring on your bolt sail make sure its a 016 and not a 015. I've had multiple oringmonkey shocker kits come through my hands that had 015's mislabeled as 016. When airing the gun up if the air can't push the sail back the bolt will stay forward and vent down the barrel.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:11 AM #7
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You may have a wrong sized oring on your bolt sail make sure its a 016 and not a 015. I've had multiple oringmonkey shocker kits come through my hands that had 015's mislabeled as 016. When airing the gun up if the air can't push the sail back the bolt will stay forward and vent down the barrel.
Thanks, ill double check this but it occurred with both bolts and neither 1 has been used so they came with factory o-rings.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:52 AM #8
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Put a factory guide and bolt in there and see what happens.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:30 AM #9
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Put a factory guide and bolt in there and see what happens.
Unfortunately that is not an option at the moment as I built the shego from scratch so the only duplicate part I really have is the bolt. Im gonna take a look at the noid later and see if its possible the cap got flipped around at some point.

The only other thing I can think of is the ndz ported manifold screws are 2 different lengths. One screw is silver & one is black. They both are the same pitch/thread but one is slightly longer. I did verify the ported manifold is secure and tightened.

Does anyone know what color the factory screw should be? I could have sworn both manifold screws were black at one point but its been a while since I even took it apart to work on it and its been to a handful of shops for fabrication since then.

Thanks fellas, I really appreciate the info & assistance!
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Old 09-11-2014, 06:46 PM #10
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Ok so i took it apart again and the noid end can only really face one way as the inside has a hole that matches the top block as is. The air is coming up directly from the noid area into the bolt area and bleeding down the barrel. If i push the bolt back a smidge during this the air is directed out the eye hole areas.

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Old 09-11-2014, 08:14 PM #11
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Have you tried cycling the gun while aired up? If not, try that and see what happens. It might be an oring somewhere that hasn't seated properly.
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Old 09-12-2014, 06:44 PM #12
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Yea no dice, don't really have the time to tinker with it now or next week. Anyone out there still doing some shocker work? Willing to ship her out for some troubleshooting!
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:06 PM #13
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send it in to fishballer06 www.shockerrepair.com
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:13 PM #14
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Old 09-14-2014, 11:45 AM #15
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I have the same problem using a ego solenoid to. Nevered fix the problem so i never finished the shocker.
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:23 PM #16
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:19 PM #17
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Noid inserts reversed???
Besides removing the end cap off it earlier last week I really havnt taken the noid apart since purchasing. The marker was technically only aired up once since completion in my possession but it was sent out for work such as BB eye milling, eye covers, ipr mod etc.

I am thinking maybe the reg was up too high at some point and over-pressurized the noid? Its an sl3 lp reg but the noid I believe is like a 200psi max. Anywho i just ordered some end connectors for the ego board/noid & am gonna snag a used shocker noid to test with. Seems like most the shops/repair services are rather backed up so ill just tinker w/it in spare time as it becomes available.
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Old 09-16-2014, 01:24 AM #18
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Ego 'noids are about 140 PSI max rated, 200 would possibly be the burst rating (at which the thing "explodes", way over the intended operating pressure).
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Ego 'noids are about 140 PSI max rated, 200 would possibly be the burst rating (at which the thing "explodes", way over the intended operating pressure).
Im not saying that's what happened as I would not have been the one who aired it up with the reg pressure up as it is however its a possible idea as to the problem at hand. My reg is an LP sl3 reg which max's at 190psi. Im going to take the noid apart tonight and have a gander. Meanwhile im looking at some shocker noids but I hear they are larger in size and im not sure they will fit without further modification to my shego....guess we will find out.

Unfortunately the ego noids are near impossible to find so i think testing it w/another ego noid is not going to be an option at all.

Is the luxe solenoid an option? Ill take a look when I get home this evening. I am pretty sure I have a couple of those laying around. I heard at least the block housing is the same.
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Luxe noid is the same parker as a shocker noid so yes.
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Old 09-17-2014, 09:22 PM #21
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So i threw the luxe solenoid together and I have a few issues

1) Not sure the luxe noid will clear the eye wiring on the side of the frame without more mill work on the side of the frame as the ego noid was a bit tight there as it was and the luxe noid is wider.

2) The solenoid screws from the ego noid to the luxe noid are 2 short. Anyone know the thread/pitch for these? Ill track down some long replacements and cut them down to length.

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I might try and send my ego noid somewhere and have it tested on an ego because these noids are impossible to find and it did work at one point during the build and hasnt been used in anything else since. It does click etc. I wanna rule out the noid issue before spending time tracking one down if its even possible.
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