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Old 10-30-2012, 01:44 PM #64
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The majority of unions (and their politcal voice) in no way represent the organizaion as a whole; simply their administration.

Fixed that for ya... I can't even count how many teachers I know that hate the way their union dues are spent on liberal politicians they totally disagree with...


Funny how you see unions as acceptable users of union dues to pay for political contributions/advertising, but you think it is wrong for corporations to do the same thing...

Liberalism... dur hur!
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:02 PM #65
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No, most don't.
Actually, most do. The thing is unions represent the interests of their members, but many union members these days have little understanding or appreciation of exactly what their interests are. Many hold opinions against their own interests.

A lot of that is by design, as the labor movement has been minimized and vilified to a point that union members themselves often don't care to know anything about labor organization and take union benefits for granted.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:17 PM #66
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No, most don't.
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Fixed that for ya... I can't even count how many teachers I know that hate the way their union dues are spent on liberal politicians they totally disagree with...

Funny how you see unions as acceptable users of union dues to pay for political contributions/advertising, but you think it is wrong for corporations to do the same thing...

Liberalism... dur hur!
You fixed it to something I already said? I literally just said that most unions don't represent the interest of it's members. Are you ****ing dense? Seriously, do you enjoy being a **** poster?

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Actually, most do. The thing is unions represent the interests of their members, but many union members these days have little understanding or appreciation of exactly what their interests are. Many hold opinions against their own interests.

A lot of that is by design, as the labor movement has been minimized and vilified to a point that union members themselves often don't care to know anything about labor organization and take union benefits for granted.
I like unions in theory, but not in practice. Although I can't speak for most unions, only the ones I have seen.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:19 PM #67
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Not that Reagan's comment has any relevance to mine, 29, and looking back I can see differences in rational thought and decision making capabilities before and after about 25.
Oh, I was talking about Reagan's "first time" line and referring to its similarity to the video in the OP, sorry for the confusion.


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Just because a dog calls itself a cat, doesn't make it so. It is difficult to find conservatives in anything other than title these days.
Do you prefer the term ideologues? Either way, "conservative" is relative based on the lens you want to use. For example, by comparison to the rest of the world, "liberals" in this country are fairly moderate.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:25 PM #68
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It's only relative to those who choose to see it that way. Liberalism and conservatism are easily distinguished.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:30 PM #69
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It's only relative to those who choose to see it that way. Liberalism and conservatism are easily distinguished.
Sorry, no. What is Americans consider "liberal" is not particularly liberal in the global geopolitical landscape. It's easy to differentiate between the two, but that doesn't mean relativity of perception does not exist.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:42 PM #70
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It doesn't and you're deluding yourself. There are no degrees of liberalism. Progressivism is no more liberal than libertarianism or classical liberalism. Different instances of the same essence.
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Oh, I was talking about Reagan's "first time" line and referring to its similarity to the video in the OP, sorry for the confusion.

Do you prefer the term ideologues? Either way, "conservative" is relative based on the lens you want to use. For example, by comparison to the rest of the world, "liberals" in this country are fairly moderate.
Ideologues is much better. I have an article on The Imaginative Conservative I have to finish reading about that, thanks for reminding me.
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Actually, most do. The thing is unions represent the interests of their members, but many union members these days have little understanding or appreciation of exactly what their interests are. Many hold opinions against their own interests.

A lot of that is by design, as the labor movement has been minimized and vilified to a point that union members themselves often don't care to know anything about labor organization and take union benefits for granted.
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It doesn't and you're deluding yourself. There are no degrees of liberalism. Progressivism is no more liberal than libertarianism or classical liberalism. Different instances of the same essence.
Agree to disagree - I stand by my original point:

What Americans consider and refer to as "liberal" is much more akin to a moderate stance worldwide.
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Old 10-31-2012, 09:38 AM #74
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Agree to disagree - I stand by my original point:

What Americans consider and refer to as "liberal" is much more akin to a moderate stance worldwide.
Your statement isn't inaccurate, but, it doesn't help your point. We'll leave it there I guess.
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:01 AM #75
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Your statement isn't inaccurate, but, it doesn't help your point. We'll leave it there I guess.
My statement is my point, so I don't see how it can't be self-supportive if it is not inaccurate - I think you're just misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:15 AM #76
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My statement is my point, so I don't see how it can't be self-supportive if it is not inaccurate - I think you're just misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
Just because they are called moderates in other countries doesn't mean they aren't liberals. At that point there is little sense in making any distinctions since there aren't degrees of liberalism. You either are or aren't. If you pull the "lens" all the way back.

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Well, well, well...

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Old 11-01-2012, 08:38 PM #78
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Pretty funny that you think a rant by a right-wing Republican has any relevance .... just because he's black.
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Pretty funny that you think obama has any relevance .... just because he's black.
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Well, well, well...

This video is powerful!

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The video calls demcrats out for invoking slavery and then turns around and pleads to the same emotion. 10's of millions of black babies have been murdered by planned parenthood? Lol how did your family fall from working on the Manhatten Project to posting this crap?
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