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Old 12-07-2012, 08:35 PM #1072
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Partially true. Didn't SP put AKA out of business? I think they also sued WDP but lost.

Frankly any business in their situation would have done the same thing, so I don't think SP should be looked down upon for the lawsuits. Just kind of how things work.
The problem we have with SP is that they sued AGD and AKA over a bull**** lawsuit. Basically, they drew up a patent for technology that was available through other brands at the time they filed. AKA didn't have the resources that SP did (it takes TONS of cash, even to fight off a bogus suit), and caved in to the lawsuit.

Last I checked, Kee hasn't sued anyone into oblivion, Just because they own patents doesn't make them evil, it's what they do with them that matters.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:56 PM #1073
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Partially true. Didn't SP put AKA out of business? I think they also sued WDP but lost.

Frankly any business in their situation would have done the same thing, so I don't think SP should be looked down upon for the lawsuits. Just kind of how things work.
This argument has a few problems. Saying "everyone would do the same thing" isn't accurate, because those same patents are now owned by someone else, who is not acting like SP did. And it's working a lot better for everyone.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:38 PM #1075
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The problem we have with SP is that they sued AGD and AKA over a bull**** lawsuit. Basically, they drew up a patent for technology that was available through other brands at the time they filed. AKA didn't have the resources that SP did (it takes TONS of cash, even to fight off a bogus suit), and caved in to the lawsuit.

Last I checked, Kee hasn't sued anyone into oblivion, Just because they own patents doesn't make them evil, it's what they do with them that matters.
kee sued hybrid into oblivion.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:49 PM #1076
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kee sued hybrid into oblivion.
Not completely. They had a good mma apparel business at the same time they were doing all their paintball stuff, and they are still in business and going strong in their mma apparel lines.

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Old 12-08-2012, 12:11 PM #1078
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Keep on preaching the patent war bs, its just business.


Apple is suing Samsung, why are you not up in arms? The reason this has become such an issue is because it was the first lawsuit of its kind in the industry we are part of.

In any other industry its business as usual..
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Many saw the SP lawsuits as immoral in such a tight knit sport.

The samsung and apple lawsuits are bad for us. At the end of the day, a companies expenses will always be passed on to the consumer.
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:38 PM #1081
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Keep on preaching the patent war bs, its just business.


Apple is suing Samsung, why are you not up in arms? The reason this has become such an issue is because it was the first lawsuit of its kind in the industry we are part of.

In any other industry its business as usual..
Apple has a tendency to sue their biggest opponent. SP filed a utility patent and I figgure they thought other companies would just pay them to do what they were already doing... and they didn't and everyone suffers.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:12 PM #1083
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If I am correct the photo of the Top Gun Union player is an Empire tech which would explain why he would have access to this mystery marker.

Wouldn't mind seeing/reading more on topic discussion with what players would like to see from this new Empire product but alas this seems to be the location for side tracked talk about tank sizes, patents ,etc resulting in a good amount of wasted storage space for PBNation.
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The problem we have with SP is that they sued AGD and AKA over a bull**** lawsuit. Basically, they drew up a patent for technology that was available through other brands at the time they filed. AKA didn't have the resources that SP did (it takes TONS of cash, even to fight off a bogus suit), and caved in to the lawsuit.

Last I checked, Kee hasn't sued anyone into oblivion, Just because they own patents doesn't make them evil, it's what they do with them that matters.
Business is business. There will be competition. If it was my call, I'd say yeah, lets patent it. Making your company the exclusive owner of a product (or idea in the patent stage) bring in more income. Now I would have the companies paying me.

Idk whats wrong with that?
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:42 PM #1085
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Business is business. There will be competition. If it was my call, I'd say yeah, let patent it. Making your company the exclusive owner of a product (or idea in the patent stage) bring in more income. Now I would have the companies paying me.

Idk whats wrong with that?
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:52 PM #1086
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Business is business. There will be competition. If it was my call, I'd say yeah, let patent it. Making your company the exclusive owner of a product (or idea in the patent stage) bring in more income. Now I would have the companies paying me.

Idk whats wrong with that?
I would say that suing another company that didn't have the capacity to, legally, defend themselves is an asshatish thing to do... not illegal, but immoral. People, like me, remember that ****. Where is SP now? Basically, they prioritized short term gains over long term gains. After you burn all your bridges, no one can help you when your island is on fire.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:59 PM #1087
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I would say that suing another company that didn't have the capacity to, legally, defend themselves is an asshatish thing to do... not illegal, but immoral. People, like me, remember that ****. Where is SP now? Basically, they prioritized short term gains over long term gains. After you burn all your bridges, no one can help you when your island is on fire.
There's morals in business?

If you're playing king of the hill, and the winner gets 100,000 dollars, wouldn't you kick a few friends' faces to stay on top?
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If you're playing king of the hill, and the winner gets 100,000 dollars, wouldn't you kick a few friends' faces to stay on top?
Yes there is morals or at best ethics in business. Morals being defined as personal and within the agency of individuals and Ethics being defined by the needs of society.

A business can be shrewd and ruthless to it's competitors, but at the end of the day responsibility has to be taken for actions. If you win short term, but eliminate your customer base in the process...well that was pretty stupid wasn't it? It's a balancing technique of public appearance and what you actually do to get the lambo paid off.

If you **** enough people, word get's around between your victims. I guess all I'm saying is you can be an amoral person, but if you're going to succeed in business at minimum meet certain ethical standards.
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