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Old 06-11-2012, 03:46 PM #1
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LCD solenoid replacement

A friend gave me a box o' angel the other day- I figured what the hell and managed to reassemble to the best of my ability and it holds air. The solenoid clicks (piggybacked it onto my IR3), but when I air it up it leaks pretty badly and won't cycle (pushing the little orange button for manual operation did nothing either). Does anyone know the model/make of the solenoid? I can make out "SMC" and "6VDC" but nothing else as far as model numbers are concerned.

Trying to avoid paying $110 from FMA, and ASP has something that looks VERY similar for half the price, not to mention I can find other places the sell them even cheaper. Best I can come up with is the SMC "SY3140-SG". Can anyone vouch for this?

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Old 06-11-2012, 05:18 PM #2
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Try looking here:
http://www.zdspb.com/tech/misc/solenoids_models.html
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:26 PM #3
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According to that, you want this solenoid: SMC SYJ3140-VG. It's also listed as LCD compatible on the product page at Air Soldier.

I'm inclined to believe that's correct even thought he 3140-SG looks more cosmetically similar to the stock solenoid, because the gasket on the 3140-VG is a perfect match to the original whereas the gasket on the 3140-SG is different and definitely wouldn't seal properly.

*edit* I stand corrected - I was thinking of the A4 solenoid gasket. See below. The 3140-SG looks like it is definitely the one you want.

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Old 06-11-2012, 05:55 PM #4
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Hm, this is interesting. The solenoid/gasket I have looks JUST like the SG- nothing like the VG.

My concern with the VG solenoid/gasket is the vertical mounting screws dont match up with the current manifold/gasket that I have. Did WDP change solenoids during the production of the LCD?
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:45 PM #5
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It's possible they used more than 1 solenoid model considering the long production run the LCD enjoyed. Unless I'm confusing it with my A4, the gasket on mine looks a lot more like the VG, with the slightly offset center hole (2nd from left in the pic at Air Soldier). However, back in '07 there is a thread from AOG where somebody is selling a SG that he confirms fits his LCD: http://www.angelowners.com/showthrea...-Cobra-detents

Looks like there's a discrepancy there. I can check my LCD solenoid later today and post some photos for you. In the end, I'd go with the one that most resembles the solenoid you have.
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:47 PM #6
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I'll snap a few pics as well- what I have looks JUST like what he was selling. Interesting.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:01 PM #7
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This came out of a Dark LCD with the electropencil serial #3129. Any idea of when it would have been made?
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:07 PM #8
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Looks like I was confusing my A4 gasket for my LCD gasket, because mine is the same (also out of Dark LCD, 2001):







Looks like the 3140-SG is definitely the one you want.

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Old 06-11-2012, 09:09 PM #9
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We use SMC all the time at work (not paintball related). Do a google search for them. From what I can remember they have a pretty good website with pics of all there product and online catologs so you should be able to find what you need.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:25 PM #10
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I checked their website and it looks like they have a branch not 10 miles from where I live. Might just go stop by and say hey to 'em tomorrow.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:05 AM #11
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Ok, so I stopped by the local SMC office and they told/showed me that the SG and the VG were the same, minus the voltage used. So, the footprints/gaskets/mounting holes are the same. The SG is 5VDC and the VG is 6VDC. I assume they're both compatible given the board would control the voltage to the solenoid?

ASP has for the SYJ3140-VG - NOT the SY3140-VG. Mounting hole/screw locations are different.

Also, these solenoids are $40-42 depending on where you look. Granted you need to splice in a male connector to fit on a board, but feel free to spend $110 from FMA, but I'll be saving some cash and going this route.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:43 PM #12
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Real good info. Links to the $40-42 company?
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:22 PM #13
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Through SMC direct they're $41.xx/each, and here's what a quick search brought up for me:

http://www.smcpneumatics.com/SY3140-VG.html
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/pro...x?SKU=E1946771

Not sure if it really makes a difference, but according to a quick google search PMR solenoids run on 5v. I assume the boards can handle both 6 and 5v, but if you're weary the SY3140-SG is the 5v model you can put into your LCD/any other compatible angel. Not sure on stock/availability. The SMC office I went to today didn't have any in stock, but ordering from them wouldn't have been an issue.

Also Trevor- replied to your PM.
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:31 PM #14
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:38 PM #15
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Trevor- your inbox is full. I'll post the link to the PMR board mod here instead:

http://www.pbriot.com/showthread.php...e-an-LCD-Angel
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:39 PM #16
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The 5v SY3140-SG from ASP that I linked to before should work just fine still, you'd just be overdriving it slightly if you're using the stock electronics. In fact, the SG would be the better option for the PMR board since it uses a 5v solenoid pulse, IIRC. The SY3140-VG (6v) appears to be the identical replacement for the stock model. ASP is advertising the SYJ3140-VG as LCD compatible, which we have now confirmed is not correct.

Great info here, glad we were able to get the correct model sorted out.

As far as price, I don't think you'd actually end up saving that much by the time you factor in lead time and shipping. The advantage of ASP is that they have immediate availability, and the 5v model will work just fine. It is, however, great to know that there are other sources out there.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:25 PM #17
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Bravo. Maybe we should try to get some people to do the same with the various other solenoids in the models and make a sticky?
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:57 PM #18
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Might be a little tougher on some of the newer models, but we could give it a shot. The IR3 and Speed both use SMC 'noids that are pretty similar to the LCD. The A4 and 05 Speed series use an Asco, I believe.
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doc.. you happen to know the models on the ir3/speed series? (they look the same, one has plastic manifold, one metal).

the one i have with a metal plate has an FY on it.
Plastic plate has a GX on it, and i think is bad and needs replaced.
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Don't know the models for sure. The Speed uses a 3 volt coil whereas the IR3 (and some of the earliest Speeds) use a 5 volt coil, which probably accounts for the difference in number codes.
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