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Old 11-03-2012, 05:15 PM #694
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Okay, so if PE sells the same Ego for 3 years for the same price and Dye sells marginally different guns for 3 years for the same price than they are doing essentially the same thing.
It's just not true. PE lowers their price and don't try to pass it off as a new gun.
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:13 PM #695
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Ummmm.....yeah. It is.
At least PE is just continuing to sell whats already on the market. Their most current version. Not releasing a marker, calling it new but it being the exact same as the last version.
Hmmmm, I don't believe dye actually said anything other than dm13, they didn't actually say improved efficiency, better shot, they just said dm13. This is a new marker, it is priced the same as the old marker. Go cry and be scared of change someplace else. Dye is not ripping anyone off, dye is not lieing to anyone. Who cares if they update their guns looks every year, you're not paying more, you're not getting shafted. If indeed it is the same thing than why are you pissed, it doesn't cost more. It's just like car companies releasing the same exact car for multiple years but only updating minor things, are you *****ing at them for it? God damn you people are all so ignorant. PE has their business strategy, dye has theirs. Neither company is shafting you, ***** ***** ***** some more.
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:26 PM #696
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It's just not true. PE lowers their price and don't try to pass it off as a new gun.
price lower that is easilly made up for in their lack of needing to retool their factories, redesign their cad files, pay engineering costs, etc... At least dye has to do a little bit of investment to redesign the looks of their marker. It's a mtrix, it's always been a matrix. All that changes is the year, not the gun, sometimes there are major upgrades, sometimes there aren't. But again, pe is no golden angel, neither is dye. Give it a ****ing break with all the hate bandwagoning.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:43 AM #697
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This looks exactly the same as the DM12 maybe with better internals but Id rather have the 12
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:47 AM #698
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Sweet paint on those. I have the DM 12 Tiger lime green, but the new colors are really nice.
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:45 AM #699
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Hmmmm, I don't believe dye actually said anything other than dm13, they didn't actually say improved efficiency, better shot, they just said dm13. This is a new marker, it is priced the same as the old marker. Go cry and be scared of change someplace else. Dye is not ripping anyone off, dye is not lieing to anyone. Who cares if they update their guns looks every year, you're not paying more, you're not getting shafted. If indeed it is the same thing than why are you pissed, it doesn't cost more. It's just like car companies releasing the same exact car for multiple years but only updating minor things, are you *****ing at them for it? God damn you people are all so ignorant. PE has their business strategy, dye has theirs. Neither company is shafting you, ***** ***** ***** some more.
Actually they did claim this marker was improved.

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Dye is proud to introduce the DM13, the newest and most advanced member of our original series of markers of the famed DM line.... It also has the capability to shoot the most fragile tournament-grade paint on the market, and carries a tradition of being among the smoothest, quietest, and most accurate paintball marker in the world. We’ve made the DM13 with a combination of tried and true technology, innovative new features that truly make this marker The Choice of Champions.
Sounds like good reason for people to ***** to me. Releasing the same marker and telling people it's somehow more advanced and innovative.
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Actually they did claim this marker was improved.



Sounds like good reason for people to ***** to me. Releasing the same marker and telling people it's somehow more advanced and innovative.
Ego 7 to ego 8 anyone? They have innovated, they have put new features into their guns that other companies don't have. They never said the innovative new features were only on this gun, they never said the features were new this year. They just said innovative features. Maybe they fixed some tolerances, maybe they adjusted the lpr. Have you shot it yet? has anyone actually done any extensive testing to prove it is not indeed better than the previous model? Maybe we should get some actual comparisions before you go saying it's not indeed better. It may be, it may not be. If it is jsut as good as the last years dm, but is even a hair lighter, shorter, or more efficient than it is the best dm to date. Again they haven't raised the price, so why are you complaining?
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Ego 7 to ego 8 anyone? They have innovated, they have put new features into their guns that other companies don't have. They never said the innovative new features were only on this gun, they never said the features were new this year. They just said innovative features. Maybe they fixed some tolerances, maybe they adjusted the lpr. Have you shot it yet? has anyone actually done any extensive testing to prove it is not indeed better than the previous model? Maybe we should get some actual comparisions before you go saying it's not indeed better. It may be, it may not be. If it is jsut as good as the last years dm, but is even a hair lighter, shorter, or more efficient than it is the best dm to date. Again they haven't raised the price, so why are you complaining?
That's not a good analogy. Ego 8 was improved over the 7.
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That's not a good analogy. Ego 8 was improved over the 7.
How so? Pretty sure it was heavier, used the same bolt, same rammer, pretty much the same board, same eyes. And if you say they added an upgraded bolt or rammer stock why aren't you pissed at pe for keeping the ego 7 design and just releasing the bolt and rammer seperately instead of ripping you off by making you buy the new gun...
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:48 PM #703
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Didn't they get rid of qevs in the 8?
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Didn't they get rid of qevs in the 8?
Believe the QEVs were implemented as a single unit as opposed to separate units.
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Didn't they get rid of qevs in the 8?
ooooh, aaah, and that's not a minor change how?
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ooooh, aaah, and that's not a minor change how?
Why are you angry?
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I'm not angry lol, just find it funny that people are so blind in following their favorite company that they refuse to admit that their favorite company is guilty of the same exact things they are angry at another company for. Pot meet kettle, eclipse meet dye.
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At least Eclipse doesn't pretend they're selling a different gun.
Dye isn't pretending that they're selling a different gun. It's still a matrix, it's just a different year matrix. When will people get it through their childish heads that a new years model != new gun. When dye came out with the nt that was a new gun, when dye came out with the rail that was a new gun, when they released the slg that was a new gun, when they release a new years matrix they are not selling a different gun, they are selling a different year and model of the same gun. Sometimes it is updated majorly, sometimes it is not.
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I'm not angry lol, just find it funny that people are so blind in following their favorite company that they refuse to admit that their favorite company is guilty of the same exact things they are angry at another company for. Pot meet kettle, eclipse meet dye.
No you're angry. You are trying to use PE as an example to validate Dye's release. Thing is you are incorrect and that's what we are saying. You are saying PE is doing the same thing DYE is but no one complains. But fact is they aren't.

Fact 1: There are very clear differences between the Ego10 and Ego11 which I pointed out and you ignored. What are the differences between the DM12 and DM13 aside from milling?

Fact 2: When PE was releasing yearly Egos they were taking A LOT of flack from people mad they were dropping a new marker with only one or two changes. PE finally listened to the customers and decided to stop. Well for more reasons than that but that was one. So why are you so angry and surprised that people are upset at DYE for continuing the same? Releasing yearly markers with even less changes.
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No you're angry. You are trying to use PE as an example to validate Dye's release. Thing is you are incorrect and that's what we are saying. You are saying PE is doing the same thing DYE is but no one complains. But fact is they aren't.

Fact 1: There are very clear differences between the Ego10 and Ego11 which I pointed out and you ignored. What are the differences between the DM12 and DM13 aside from milling?

Fact 2: When PE was releasing yearly Egos they were taking A LOT of flack from people mad they were dropping a new marker with only one or two changes. PE finally listened to the customers and decided to stop. Well for more reasons than that but that was one. So why are you so angry and surprised that people are upset at DYE for continuing the same? Releasing yearly markers with even less changes.
Yeah, because someone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to get this years model...
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Yeah, because someone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to get this years model...
I take this response as a sign that you acknowledge what I said as truth/fact but you simply don't want to concede. That fine though
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Either company can care less about you little girls *****ing. They still gonna make money, people are gonna buy PE and Dye just cause of there
Name. *****ing about one of the biggest gun companies for years about the same **** but people still buy it. GET OVER IT CHILD. No one really cares. Personally I use both companies. If I had a chance to use the 13 over the 12 I would, who wouldn't? People always want change, they can still make the Same model gun and change the name and still make money. They can do what they want. They're the Suppliers we're the consumers, can't get around that.
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I remember coming on here and the dm6 was just coming out, paintball companies are really running out of ideas for guns. its the same god damn thing for the last 6 years
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