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Old 09-29-2012, 01:56 PM #22
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What ever happened to drinking some poison to miscary? You remember, right? Where the woman had to weigh the consequences of the possible side effects of the poison versus having the child?
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:10 PM #23
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Abortifacients have been around since ancient times. We now have perfectly safe ones and their widespread use could reduce the incidence of procedural abortion tremendously.

I guess in the days when infant mortality was high, the ancients didn't have that many hangups about it. These days conservatives think of every zygote as their future special little douchebag that will grow up to post horse**** on an internet forum from a position of ignorance and privilege.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:17 PM #24
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I don't think it should be done on a whim.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:22 PM #25
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If we have two women, A and B, and A remains abstinent while B has an abortion, what's the difference in the end result? Neither one allowed life. The output is the exact same between the two.

What if woman B were 45 years old in a stable family with two kids and was told was unable to birth any more children, yet still became pregnant? You would force her, a woman already caring for and providing for two children to risk her entire life as well as the health of her child she now carries? The chance of health issues for both mother and child are rather significant and you'd rather risk both their lives plus the well being of two already born children? You'd rather risk an entire family's structure than simply act as if she had never been pregnant to begin with?

Leave the decision available. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. If you don't agree with those who do agree with them, then don't marry/date them. Not a hard thing to grasp...
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...5#post76782635

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Old 09-29-2012, 02:23 PM #26
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So you have no issue in telling another human being what they are allowed to do? You could stare a woman straight in the face and tell her "You HAVE TO have this child."

And then what when they don't? Put them in jail? Fine them? Laughable...
What about the babies rights? The mother forfeited hers when she spread her legs.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:53 PM #27
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What about the babies rights? The mother forfeited hers when she spread her legs.
What's the difference between not having sex and not having a baby? The end result is exactly the same.
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No it's not. One is abstaining and the other is murder. That's a huge difference. So much for your critical thinking.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:59 PM #29
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No it's not. One is abstaining and the other is murder. That's a huge difference. So much for your critical thinking.
If you want to term it that way, go ahead. The end result is still the same. No baby.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:38 PM #30
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If a doctor attaches his signature to a document saying that the life of the mother is in serious jeopardy should she choose to carry to term, then she can be allowed an abortion. Otherwise she can have the child and give him/her away.

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What's the difference between not having sex and not having a baby? The end result is exactly the same.
But the intent is different. It's the difference between locking a door and a wide open one. If someone breaks into your house and steals your stuff, but your door was wide open, the insurance company isn't going to pay for damages because you were negligent.

Choosing to have sex carries a reasonable expectation of a possible pregnancy (unless you use birth control). Choosing not to have sex has no reasonable expectation of pregnancy. But proactively terminating a pregnancy is much different than not have sex. One is a positive right. The other is a negative one. Intent matters just as much as the end result in court.
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This wouldn't have been a story had she simply gotten an abortion, but if she did, the same end result would have occurred and the motive still stays the same: she didn't want the kid so she got rid of it.
In this case - an abortion would of been a more humane way to kill the child.

I support abortion fully in the case of rape and incest. The fact people think a girl, perhaps 9 years old, should have to give birth to a baby if she was raped, is completely and totally warped thinking.

"You think murder is ok then?" (frequent reply to my stating that)

To a creature who is unborn, undeveloped and not truly a "life" yet? Yeah, I think "murder" is justified in that situation.
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No it's not. One is abstaining and the other is murder. That's a huge difference. So much for your critical thinking.
Refer to my post, like post #6 or so, about why abortion is not murder.
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:57 PM #33
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I'm down to say no to abortion when you clowns are down to pick up the welfare tab. Funny how you ***** about paying for the kid that you MADE them have......idiots.
I think there is a big difference between MAKING someone have a child and not allowing them to legally murder their child. Don't twist reality like a dumb liberal.
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14 year old girl smothers her infant son immediately after giving birth to him. She's currently charged with 1st degree murder and child abuse.

This wouldn't have been a story had she simply gotten an abortion, but if she did, the same end result would have occurred and the motive still stays the same: she didn't want the kid so she got rid of it.

I used to be pro choice but I think I've finally come around to the pro-life side. We should ban abortion. Instead of giving the woman a choice whether to carry the child to term or not, give them the choice of giving away the baby (and absolving themselves of legal responsibility) to become a ward of the state. If it happens again, she can give the baby away again but must then undergo sterilization.
Well I agree. Abortion is bad. But the end result is dead baby either way. But at least the mother is being punished. But society sees killing the born baby worse
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:42 PM #35
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i dont get why the killing of a tiny undeveloped embryo is so bad to some people, yet they will still eat meat. in my view its hypocrisy
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i also dont understand the "life begins at conception" people who count their age from the day they were born, if they really believe life begins at conception, then they would be 9 months old when they first exit the womb.
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Yes. My point was if people really believe that life begins are conception, and destroying an embryo is murder, why do they not start counting age at conception and not birth.
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So you have no issue in telling another human being what they are allowed to do? You could stare a woman straight in the face and tell her "You HAVE TO have this child."

And then what when they don't? Put them in jail? Fine them? Laughable...
Did I say anything like that? Do you really have to be so stupid? All I am saying that abortion is a way for a woman to get out of taking responsibility for what she did, and any argument regard "her right to do what she wants with her body" is stupid because she just doesn't want to deal with the consiquences or her actions.

It is just another manifestation of people not wanting to take care of themselves and be responsible for the choices they make.
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so how is having an abortion not taking responsibility? not being responsible would be having a kid when you 1. cant afford it 2. dont want to raise a child in a bad environment 3. raise a kid when you dont have the desire to therefore giving less effort then a parent should. i see an abortion being responsible decision, and having a baby because "i need to accept my mistakes" as being extremely ignorant and irresponsible
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If you want to cut the number of abortions, you need to make it profitable for the mother to give up her unwanted baby. In the USA the mother is not allowed to make any profit from an adoption, but an adoption agency makes 10s of thousands of dollars per placement. She can ask for living expenses while pregnant, but can then change her mind after the baby is born thereby screwing the adoptive parents out their money and breaking their hearts to boot.

Adoption of infants is so unreliable here that people will pay an agency 20k for an HIV+ foreign child. A healthy Russian kid runs around 40k. There is a huge market here for adoptions. A 40k payday would certainly convince many women to complete their pregnancy. Why should the agency make all the money anyway?
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Give me a hot russian wife and I'll pop out babies left and right and undercut everyone else.
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