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Old 10-02-2012, 03:15 PM #232
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Until evidence is presented (complications etc) that it won't develop into a person, there is no reason to assume otherwise. I dont think this country should require that you be born to be protected. Or rather, that your right to life be protected. I can't pretend to give you an objective "why"

Continuing down left field, we are all collections of cells so who cares?
I say we abort all babies forever and use their embryonic bodies for stem cell research. We need to get this zombie Hitler thing rolling and soon. This country needs Ron Paul. STATE RIGHTS STATE RIGHTS STATE RIGHTS **** YEAH 'MURICA.

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Old 10-02-2012, 03:25 PM #233
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Are you trying to say that a person who has sex doesn't have to be responsible for their actions?
no, in no way am i insinuating that. a person that has sex has no choice but to be responsible for their actions, with results ranging from regret and discomfort to incurable STDs.

what i am saying is

-not all sexual acts are committed for the sake of reproduction (this has been observed in animals as well and is not unique to humans); the attitude that sex should be reserved only for reproduction was ushered in after the black plague in Europe and is outdated

-a child should not be treated merely as a consequence for a sexual act. obviously a child can only be made through sexual intercourse but to expect someone to raise a child for 18 years and devote attention to it for a lifetime all because "you had sex and now you have to deal with it" is spiteful and bizarre. yes, they did act irresponsibly by having sex without adequate planning and protection. so why do you expect a person who cannot manage their sex life responsibly to raise a child responsibly?

fun facts: 22% of conceptions never complete implantation. if you factor in fertilized eggs that don't complete implantation as well as pregnancies that end in miscarriage, then 70-75% of of conceptions miscarry. If not, about 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.

I thought God was pro-life???
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:48 PM #234
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because I would like to see the end of organised religion on the face of the earth and see that time/energy put into the betterment of mankind (and not socialist leanings)?
It doesn't matter. This is supposed to be the country of the free and that includes freedom to practice whatever religion you want. You happen to be an atheist and that's fine, nobody cares. Still doesn't give you the right to take somebody elses faith and make it illegal.

You constantly ***** and moan about freedom so you're just a hypocrite. Pick a side. Banning religion is some ****ing Pol Pot ****.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:33 PM #235
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I say we abort all babies forever and use their embryonic bodies for stem cell research. We need to get this zombie Hitler thing rolling and soon. This country needs Ron Paul. STATE RIGHTS STATE RIGHTS STATE RIGHTS **** YEAH 'MURICA.

I'm done.
The Jews control the oil. We'll never be able to mount a successful attack. We need an alternative energy source. That's where homosexuals come in. We burn them in combustion reactors. They are a renewable resources that is abundant in any conquered population. They are relatively clean burning despite the fact that 1 in 5 will release HIV into the air. Considering this plan will effectively eliminate the gay marriage debate, I think the benefits outweigh the costs.

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Old 10-02-2012, 04:35 PM #236
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no, in no way am i insinuating that. a person that has sex has no choice but to be responsible for their actions, with results ranging from regret and discomfort to incurable STDs.

what i am saying is

-not all sexual acts are committed for the sake of reproduction (this has been observed in animals as well and is not unique to humans); the attitude that sex should be reserved only for reproduction was ushered in after the black plague in Europe and is outdated

-a child should not be treated merely as a consequence for a sexual act. obviously a child can only be made through sexual intercourse but to expect someone to raise a child for 18 years and devote attention to it for a lifetime all because "you had sex and now you have to deal with it" is spiteful and bizarre. yes, they did act irresponsibly by having sex without adequate planning and protection. so why do you expect a person who cannot manage their sex life responsibly to raise a child responsibly?

fun facts: 22% of conceptions never complete implantation. if you factor in fertilized eggs that don't complete implantation as well as pregnancies that end in miscarriage, then 70-75% of of conceptions miscarry. If not, about 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.

I thought God was pro-life???
Spiteful and bizarre? You have a twisted perception of reality and are simply ignoring the consequences because of your distorted reasoning.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:50 PM #237
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You happen to be an atheist
Let me clear this up right here for you, I am in no way, shape or form an atheist, they too are included in my...dislike, of all religion/anti-religon. My stance comes from a POV that ALL religion is a waste of time. That there is or is not a god, does not matter to me one bit.

However the pure EVIL that is done in "gods" name does consern me. The sheep that folow a bible/koran/tora/etc... listening to what others tell them to do (like be anti-abortion) is the problem here and exactly why we, the good people of the human race, need to wipe religions from the face of the earth.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:02 PM #238
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The Jews control the oil. We'll never be able to mount a successful attack. We need an alternative energy source. That's where homosexuals come in. We burn them in combustion reactors. They are a renewable resources that is abundant in any conquered population. They are relatively clean burning despite the fact that 1 in 5 will release HIV into the air. Considering this plan will effectively eliminate the gay marriage debate, I think the benefits outweigh the costs.

We are doing Gods work gentlemen.
Finally, something in this thread we can all agree on.
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Spiteful and bizarre? You have a twisted perception of reality and are simply ignoring the consequences because of your distorted reasoning.
I said you are being spiteful because you like many pro life folks seem to enjoy describing a child as a punishment for sexual activity. "Well you had sex so own up to your actions". A child is not like paying a bill at the end of a long night of drinking. It requires care, attention, money. Not everyone has the resources to raise a child. Forcing them to have a child because you think abortion is immoral means a child can grow up badly neglected, in poverty or worse. Considering how often a fetus fails naturally, lacks cognitive ability and viability outside the womb, I don't see terminating a fetus on the level of killing a thinking, breathing human. Yes they should have been using birth control or abstaining. Life isn't perfect and people make mistakes. Forcing someone to have a child as a result of a mistake because of YOUR beliefs is more immoral than terminating a fetus in the womb in my eyes.

By the way I think abortion should only be allowed in the first trimester. Third trimester abortions are awful.

Please try using argument next time...
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Chodeyg for the record they are not "pro life' they are "Anti-Abortion" most of them are also "Anti-gay rights" too.
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The Jews control the oil. We'll never be able to mount a successful attack. We need an alternative energy source. That's where homosexuals come in. We burn them in combustion reactors. They are a renewable resources that is abundant in any conquered population. They are relatively clean burning despite the fact that 1 in 5 will release HIV into the air. Considering this plan will effectively eliminate the gay marriage debate, I think the benefits outweigh the costs.

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I said you are being spiteful because you like many pro life folks seem to enjoy describing a child as a punishment for sexual activity. "Well you had sex so own up to your actions". A child is not like paying a bill at the end of a long night of drinking. It requires care, attention, money. Not everyone has the resources to raise a child. Forcing them to have a child because you think abortion is immoral means a child can grow up badly neglected, in poverty or worse. Considering how often a fetus fails naturally, lacks cognitive ability and viability outside the womb, I don't see terminating a fetus on the level of killing a thinking, breathing human. Yes they should have been using birth control or abstaining. Life isn't perfect and people make mistakes. Forcing someone to have a child as a result of a mistake because of YOUR beliefs is more immoral than terminating a fetus in the womb in my eyes.

By the way I think abortion should only be allowed in the first trimester. Third trimester abortions are awful.

Please try using argument next time...
Getting pregnant isn't punishment. It's the result of an action. All actions have consequences. This is the natural order of things. There is nothing natural about abortion. It's a cop out for people who are not responsible. One mistake begetting another. Abortion is degenerative. A sad result of a lack of discipline.
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wtf is this?
A reasonable proposal. Or sarcasm. You pick
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We need an alternative energy source. That's where homosexuals come in. We burn them in combustion reactors.
I heard that Iran is getting pretty close to splitting the Jew, which should provide a near endless source of power in the foreseeable future. It requires a pretty steady supply of gays for the bombardment procedure, the half-life of which is measured by the homosexual agenda.
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Taking anti biotics is not natural, skyscrapers are not natural, vaccines are not natural, want me to continue? Funny when it comes to everything from childbirth to regulation of the private sector, some conservatives seem to want to return to the stone age.

You are preaching about discipline to the wrong person. Sure in a perfect world everyone would be disciplined and wouldn't have unprotected sex when they aren't ready to have a child. That's not how the world works. People make bad decisions. There is a safe procedure that prevents a fetus from turning into a child as we know it, as a last resort if the couple/mother chooses. Seems better than forcing an already irresponsible couple to raise a child.

When does life begin anyway? The religious used to believe life began at birth but I guess this has changed. If life begins before conception why does god have such little care for eggs in the form of a period, or sperm in the form of nocturnal emissions? If life begins at conception why do so few fertilized eggs make it to birth? In that case abortion IS natural albeit spontaneous. And if it begins at some point in between than what is wrong with abortion?
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A reasonable proposal. Or sarcasm. You pick
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When does life begin anyway?
What entity is appropriate for determining as such?

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I heard that Iran is getting pretty close to splitting the Jew, which should provide a near endless source of power in the foreseeable future. It requires a pretty steady supply of gays for the bombardment procedure, the half-life of which is measured by the homosexual agenda.
The Jew is a very limited and valuable resource though. We'd risk enormous damage to the planet if we split an Orthodox Jew in an unorthodoxed manner.

I hear gays make for good lubricant. They seem to be filled to the brim with the stuff. Unfortunately, it's a catalyst for HIV, as Martian hinted towards. This is why I propose we use aborted fetuses to attract the HIV like a little baby filtration system. Their sins will wash away the disease.

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I heard that Iran is getting pretty close to splitting the Jew, which should provide a near endless source of power in the foreseeable future. It requires a pretty steady supply of gays for the bombardment procedure, the half-life of which is measured by the homosexual agenda.
A force that large could collapse a steel chair. Or am I being CONserved? Dirty white wingers.
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Overbear only hates religion because sodomy and homosexual perversion are sins in most of them, and if not a sin highly looked down upon. You need to excuse his radical beliefs as he feels the need to be super defensive in order to convince himself he's not doing anything wrong.

I want to pose a question for the pro-abortionists here. How is the killing of an unwanted fetus at 5 months into gestation significantly different than the killing of an unwanted newborn baby, say 1 month old? What factors make one ok while the other horrible?
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Overbear only hates religion because sodomy and homosexual perversion are sins in most of them, and if not a sin highly looked down upon. You need to excuse his radical beliefs as he feels the need to be super defensive in order to convince himself he's not doing anything wrong.

I want to pose a question for the pro-abortionists here. How is the killing of an unwanted fetus at 5 months into gestation significantly different than the killing of an unwanted newborn baby, say 1 month old? What factors make one ok while the other horrible?
i support 1st trimester abortions. not 2nd trimester
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