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Old 10-05-2012, 08:21 PM #1513
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Or you could just eliminate the play-in BS and go back to the way it's supposed to be.
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4 total playoff teams is the best option.

A new division alignment would be easy too.

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Old 10-05-2012, 08:24 PM #1515
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Or just back to the way it was last year.
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:27 PM #1516
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That would be fine, but I still like the model that they abandoned after 1994.
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4 total playoff teams is the best option.

A new division alignment would be easy too.

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you realize that houston is joining the AL next season so each league has 15 teams right? That throws a wrench into your plans because then 1 division in each league has an additional team. Not to mention, the scheduling would be weird since you have more teams in your division, you either get to play teams in your division less or you lose interleague/interdivisional games. I can't imagine the sox not playing the twins/tigers 18 times a year. Those are actual rivalries.
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At least that's a cute little gift call by the umpire to get Chipper a hit in his last AB
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you realize that houston is joining the AL next season so each league has 15 teams right? That throws a wrench into your plans because then 1 division in each league has an additional team. Not to mention, the scheduling would be weird since you have more teams in your division, you either get to play teams in your division less or you lose interleague/interdivisional games. I can't imagine the sox not playing the twins/tigers 18 times a year. Those are actual rivalries.
They need to put the kibosh on Houston going AL. Interleague play all year long is going to be a bummer.

If they kept the Astros in the NL and used that alignment, they could reduce the interleague games and have a couple protected rivalries for some teams.
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i missed the call, but from what i've read, its nothing too outrageous, just an infield fly call that is only a big deal because its one of those super rare times where it doesn't just get caught anyway.

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Since the purpose of the rule is to prevent double plays, the rule applies only when there are fewer than two outs, and there is a force play at third base (i.e., when there are runners at first and second base, or the bases are loaded).[1] In these situations, if a fair fly ball is in play, and in the umpire's judgment it is catchable by an infielder with ordinary effort, the umpire shall call "infield fly" (or more often, "infield fly, batter's out"); the batter will be out[2] regardless of whether the ball is actually caught in flight. Umpires typically raise the right arm straight up, index finger pointing up, to signal the rule is in effect.

If "infield fly" is called and the fly ball is caught, it is treated exactly as an ordinary fly ball; the batter is out, there is no force, and the runners must tag up. On the other hand, if "infield fly" is called and the ball lands fair without being caught, the batter is still out, and there is no force, but the runners are not required to tag up. In either case, the ball is live, and the runners may advance at the risk of being doubled-off if the ball is caught.
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They need to put the kibosh on Houston going AL. Interleague play all year long is going to be a bummer.

If they kept the Astros in the NL and used that alignment, they could reduce the interleague games and have a couple protected rivalries for some teams.
um, except them both divisions in the NL are at a disadvantage because each team is competing with 7 others and its only 6 others in the AL....

Why not got all the way and just eliminate divisions/leagues and have the top 8 teams get seeded then play the playoffs like that?
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i missed the call, but from what i've read, its nothing too outrageous, just an infield fly call that is only a big deal because its one of those super rare times where it doesn't just get caught anyway.
Mistake #1: Ball was 40% of the way into the outfield.
Mistake #2: Call not made immediately. Umpire called it less than one second before the ball hit the ground.

Improper application of the rules.
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That kind of thing happened to my team at the state tournament. Infield fly, batter as automatically out, so the runners don't have to advance. I don't remember the exact details, but basically the other team didn't know this, so they all started running, and we should have got a double play but for some reason the umpires said they weren't out and they went back to their bases.

My vision was hazy because this was like 5 years ago.
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That kind of thing happened to my team at the state tournament. Infield fly, batter as automatically out, so the runners don't have to advance. I don't remember the exact details, but basically the other team didn't know this, so they all started running, and we should have got a double play but for some reason the umpires said they weren't out and they went back to their bases.

My vision was hazy because this was like 5 years ago.
That's a proper application of the rules, assuming the ball was....in the infield (unlike the Braves game), and the call was made immediately.
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Mistake #1: Ball was 40% of the way into the outfield.
Mistake #2: Call not made immediately. Umpire called it less than one second before the ball hit the ground.

Improper application of the rules.
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Just youtubed the play, I guess I can see why the umpire would consider that ordinary effort, but at the same time, it was pretty deep in the outfield and I doubt it could have been abused for a double play as the rule intends to prevent.
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Like I said, I don't know the exact details or what happened. I just remember that we got ****ed out of a double play.
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Just youtubed the play, I guess I can see why the umpire would consider that ordinary effort, but at the same time, it was pretty deep in the outfield and I doubt it could have been abused for a double play as the rule intends to prevent.
Right.

Oh well. It's over.
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That's a proper application of the rules, assuming the ball was....in the infield (unlike the Braves game), and the call was made immediately.
If you advance on an infield fly, its at your own risk and you still get called out if the ball is caught and you didn't tag...
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If you advance on an infield fly, its at your own risk and you still get called out if the ball is caught and you didn't tag...
If you start running on the hit, that's incorrect.

If they "tagged up", then you're right.

I read it as they started running on the hit.

(not that the rules matter. umps make it up as they go along)
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If you advance on an infield fly, its at your own risk and you still get called out if the ball is caught and you didn't tag...
Yeah that's basically what it was.
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um, except them both divisions in the NL are at a disadvantage because each team is competing with 7 others and its only 6 others in the AL....

Why not got all the way and just eliminate divisions/leagues and have the top 8 teams get seeded then play the playoffs like that?
We could just detract the Pirates and Royals.

That is a problem though. I suppose the way it was last year is what it should be. They need to keep Houston where they are though because interleague games all year round is just wrong.
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