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Old 09-25-2012, 12:54 PM #22
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Nothing wrong with war, it thins out the population.
I bet you wouldn't think the same way if you were one of the casualties of war.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:00 PM #23
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Nothing wrong with war, it thins out the population. Its the flower loving, dirt eating, tree hugging, libtards that we need to send out to play "catch a bullet in the head". Then the country will be in a much better place.
Kid, some day you are going to grow up, look back on comments like this and realise just what a retard you are being.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:04 PM #24
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What's sad is he never will. He can't even stay consistent on who he wants to kill off.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:07 PM #25
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Id say we're slightly better than four years ago but not by much...


HAHAHAHHAhaAHAHAHAhahhaha.

Wow. unreal.

So what exactly is "better" than 4 years ago? Pay is down, unemployment is up, food stamps have doubled, disability ranks have swelled to unprecedented levels, food prices are way up, energy prices have doubled, and health care costs are skyrocketing. Welcome to the Obama depression, but, hey, you are going to vote for 4 MORE years of this...

unfreakingbelievable
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:09 PM #26
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Nothing wrong with war, it thins out the population. Its the flower loving, dirt eating, tree hugging, libtards that we need to send out to play "catch a bullet in the head". Then the country will be in a much better place.
Are we supposed to this seriously from a man who dresses up in a furry bear costume?
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:25 PM #27
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HAHAHAHHAhaAHAHAHAhahhaha.

Wow. unreal.

So what exactly is "better" than 4 years ago? Pay is down, unemployment is up, food stamps have doubled, disability ranks have swelled to unprecedented levels, food prices are way up, energy prices have doubled, and health care costs are skyrocketing. Welcome to the Obama depression, but, hey, you are going to vote for 4 MORE years of this...

unfreakingbelievable
actually health care costs are slowing down

is it that hard to not make things up?
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:29 PM #28
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Based on the "brilliance" of the posters on forums around the country... The reason Obama is still in this race is the lack of intelligence of the voters of our country.

You guys do realize more people vote for American Idol, than vote for the President...

Wow...

Anyway, Obama promised when he cheated and rammed through Obamacare illegally. That it would lower our insurance costs.

And yet...




I guess that was "bush's" fault or something.

http://news.investors.com/092412-626...-2500-cut.aspx

Ignorance is bliss. And a large portion of our society has no clue about the destructive policies of this administration, and view all government as the same. Well, Obama is giving more and more power to the federal government. With the goal of controlling everything they can. It is no wonder they tell us what light bulbs we are allowed to buy, and what gas we have to put in our tanks, and what schools we must go too.

Regardless of the failures of all of those things.

The clear message is they are smarter than you, and you must comply.

All the regulations that Obamacare is forcing on our country are still being written, thousands of pages so far... These regulations cost you and I money. But, the media ignores this blatant failure, and instead tells us how Romney is attacking the 47% or something.

"During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.

But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama's vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey.

Premiums for employer-provided family coverage rose $3,065 — 24% — from 2008 to 2012, the Kaiser survey found. Even if you start counting in 2009, premiums have climbed $2,370.

What's more, premiums climbed faster in Obama's four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush, the survey data show.

There's no question about what Obama was promising the country, since he repeated it constantly during his 2008 campaign.

In a debate with Sen. John McCain, for example, Obama said "the only thing we're going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family's premium by about $2,500 per year."

At a campaign stop in Columbus, Ohio, in February 2008, Obama promised that "We are going to work with you to lower your premiums by $2,500. We will not wait 20 years from now to do it, or 10 years from now to do it. We will do it by the end of my first term as president."

2008 Promises, 2012 Reality

To back that up, Obama pointed to a memo drafted by Harvard professors (and unpaid campaign advisers), which claimed that investing in health care IT, cutting administrative bloat, and improving management of chronic diseases would cut health costs by $140 billion a year. That would translate into $2,500 in premium savings for families.

But those projections were wildly optimistic, overestimating potential savings from IT, making big assumptions about disease management, and ignoring the fact that past government interventions have always increased health care administrative costs.

Meanwhile, the health reform law Obama signed in March 2010 has pushed up insurance costs.

In 2011, premiums spiked 9.5%, and many in the industry blame ObamaCare for at least part of it. Premiums climbed another 4.5% in 2012, Kaiser found."
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:31 PM #30
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actually health care costs are slowing down

is it that hard to not make things up?
Fuel prices, dude. Fuel price.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:33 PM #31
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oh, and of course health care costs are rising...they've been rising for 50 straight years.

what matters is the is how sharply they rise
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:35 PM #32
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Nothing wrong with war, it thins out the population. Its the flower loving, dirt eating, tree hugging, libtards that we need to send out to play "catch a bullet in the head". Then the country will be in a much better place.
Well said! Living in California, you see ALOT of the tree hugged, Bear ****ing types that need a good smack the head.
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First off, the recession is still going strong, so your blog graph is silly, not to mention it stops THIS year... clearly we are talking about rising healthcare costs, which even the CBO agrees are skyrocketing, and Obamacare hasn't even fully been written yet...



http://www.npr.org/2012/07/12/156659...estimates-rise

"The latest estimate, as the chart details, is that Obamacare will cost $2.6 trillion dollars in its first real decade. The bill does not fully go into effect until 2014, therefore the estimate begins with that year.

"President Obama promised a joint session of Congress in 2009 to spend $900 billion over ten years on his health care law: 'Now, add it all up, and the plan that I'm proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years.' Adding up all the different spending provisions in the health care law, however, (including closing the Medicare 'donut hole,' implementation costs, and other spending) total gross spending over the FY 2010–19 period is about $1.4 trillion, based on CBO estimates," the Senate Budget Committee Republican staff explains. "And most of the major spending provisions in the law do not even take effect until 2014. Congressional Democrats delayed these provisions in order to show only six years of spending under the plan in the original 10-year budget window (from FY2010-19) used by CBO at the time the law was enacted. Therefore, the original estimate concealed the fact that most of the law's spending only doesn't even begin until four years into the 10-year window. A Senate Budget Committee analysis (based on CBO estimates and growth rates) finds that that total spending under the law will amount to at least $2.6 trillion over a true 10-year period (from FY2014–23) — not $900 billion, as President Obama originally promised.""


But, hey, keep spinning that your health care costs are going down. Silly liberal... Don't compare your paycheck stub that shows what you pay now compared with three years ago...
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:39 PM #34
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stop googling random **** that has nothing to do with what we're talking about

the fact is the cost slope has leveled off compared to the sharp rises we saw in the 90's and 2000's.

this isn't even ****ing debatable.
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Fuel prices, dude. Fuel price.
uhm, energy prices have "necessarily skyrocketed" just as Obama promised...

http://www.nationalreview.com/campai...-skyrocketing#

"USA Today noted in December: “Electric bills have skyrocketed in the last five years, a sharp reversal from a quarter-century when Americans enjoyed stable power bills even as they used more electricity. Households paid a record $1,419 on average for electricity in 2010, the fifth consecutive yearly increase above the inflation rate, a USA TODAY analysis of government data found. The jump has added about $300 a year to what households pay for electricity. That’s the largest sustained increase since a run-up in electricity prices during the 1970s.”

If only someone had warned us that under Obama’s policies, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket… wait, someone did!

Barack Obama warned us under his plans, “electricity rates will necessary skyrocket…. Coal-powered plants, natural gas plants, you name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations, that will cost money, that they will pass that money on to consumers.”"



So lower pay, less benefits, higher energy costs, higher health care costs, higher food costs.

And you are going to vote for Obama again.

Wow.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:41 PM #36
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stop googling random **** that has nothing to do with what we're talking about

the fact is the cost slope has leveled off compared to the sharp rises we saw in the 90's and 2000's.

this isn't even ****ing debatable.


You lack intelligence. Lemme guess, you are going to vote for Obama, oh wait, I repeat myself.
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u mad i proved you wrong?
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How does a rise in fuel prices in any way indicate the alleged poor state of the economy? Preferably in your own words.

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Don't compare your paycheck stub that shows what you pay now compared with three years ago...
Don't think you want to go there.
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Why do you people not have him and the other lunatics on ignore?
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Of course he does. He doesn't think dinosaurs walked with mankind. What an idiot.

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Why do you people not have him and the other lunatics on ignore?
He's incredibly entertaining. I hope people don't add him to ignore because I enjoy the show.
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Four years ago Lehman Brothers, Bear Sterns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the Dow, housing prices, foreclosures, GM, Chrystler, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, and UBS were all on their way out of the US economy in one form or another, which created a ripple effect that relieved ~600-750K jobs per month between Aug 2008-Feb 2009.

If people prefer that economy to what we have now, the only logical explanation is that they have a memory span comparable to that of a goldfish.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:19 PM #42
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But the fuel. The lerberals.

Rhino did you seriously just say that OBs statement that liberals should be shot was "well said"? What kind of **** is that?

It's cute how much you guys run with stereotypes. I live in a beach community that is heavily conservative but these people take conservation of the environment very seriously. I guess caring about the environment doesn't sit well with your agenda though? The environment is socialist I guess.
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