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Old 09-19-2012, 05:57 AM #85
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Ninja isn't producing these tanks...
My bad... I don't know why I thought that. Probably just got confused because Rob came in here.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:49 AM #86
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A few people will buy them......then realize that's it's too small to get into your shoulder well(it looks pretty short). Then they'll need a stock to get them right back to where they would have been if they just used their standard 68 setup. Of course they'll swear they love it all day long lol.

Or they'll use it for a while and get upset over having to fill every game....laziness will set in and they'll go back to their older larger tank which works just as well with a lot less hassle.

There is a reason a 68(or close to it)ci tank is pretty much the standard. It's the best all around setup you can get. I see no reason to ever buy one of these. Even the 45ci tanks I've had in the past were sold off due to lack of use.
Not a fan of 68 size tanks at all. I'm looking forward to trying this vessel for special purposes, myself. I use a 45/45 daily, and I'm taller than average.

Meanwhile, you're stating all of this like it's fact, when it really falls into the realm of personal preference.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:59 AM #87
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I'm all over one of these, personally... I use a 22/3K with a remote for my pistol rig and it's quite a bit more chunky than I'd prefer, this would be perfect size and weight-wise.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:06 AM #88
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I'd buy one of these for my pumps in a heartbeat. Hopefully some more info is released soon.
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I'd buy one of these for my pumps in a heartbeat. Hopefully some more info is released soon.
I agree with this. If I used a pump I would definitely get one of these
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:21 PM #90
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If it fits in a pod sleeve I may buy one. It can serve as my emergency air.
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strange...I remember when 88ci tanks were all the rage cuz you could hoot a case paint in 1 game
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strange...I remember when 88ci tanks were all the rage cuz you could hoot a case paint in 1 game
I guess with better efficiency from markers these days, a huge tank is not as important to some people.
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Old 09-19-2012, 06:22 PM #94
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If it fits in a pod sleeve I may buy one. It can serve as my emergency air.
From the pics it looks like it should. My 22ci is bigger diameter than a 13/3K and I carry it in a modified 140 round pod pouch.
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Old 09-20-2012, 07:03 PM #96
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It's not that I heard it, I just have looked all over for a 45 4500 that had certification in Canada. Ninja and Crossfire tanks don't have certification in Canada and those two manufacturers are the producers that most retail shops carry.

To clarify, only the 45 4500 does not have certification in Canada, sorry if I did not make that clear I thought it was pretty evident given my post. I apologize to Rob from Ninja and to those at Crossfire if this earlier statement caused issue!
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Looks good. What are that actual specs of it? Is it a 22ci at 4,500 psi? If so that's awesome. Now I just got to find a buttstock that will accept it and woahla no more back tank or remote line.
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Not a fan of 68 size tanks at all. I'm looking forward to trying this vessel for special purposes, myself. I use a 45/45 daily, and I'm taller than average.

Meanwhile, you're stating all of this like it's fact, when it really falls into the realm of personal preference.
It's my opion but here is why I see no value:

Pros:
-Small and light.

Cons:
-smaller and lighter. That means every time you pump your gun, it's going to move off your target that much more. A bad thing for pumpers.

-A gun with a lighter tank will become more top heavy. Bad balance means less accuracy. Smaller hopper mandatory. Added cost.

-probably will require a stock to use it, or at least a butt plate or rail system you may not already have. Added cost.

-if you ever play semi, this tank won't help you. Now you need more than one tank....added cost. If you don't play semi then you won't have a problem.

-Still heavier, more expensive and less efficient than Co2. Slap an anti siphon in your 7oz Co2 tank and enjoy for a lot less money, if consistency is an issue. Dirty Co2 is almost never a problem in pump play period. No noid.....no problem. Neither is the cold. I've played pump at -15 celcius no problem. Your paint will be more of an issue than Co2. Put a 3 dollar filter in if you think it may be an issue. If your'e still worried about Co2, then I don't kwow what to tell you. The act of pumping will affect your accuracy more than Co2 ever will.

-fiber tanks need to be hydro'd every 3 to 5 years depending on certification(most are 5 years now). Added cost.

-be prepared to spend a lot more time in the air lineup if you like to shoot or play long games. If you just pluck away here and there you'll be ok. If you're a back yard baller, you'll be switching back to a bigger tank in no time due to a lack of convenient air fills. Or you'll need extras.

Anyway this is why I would never buy one. The cons and costs far outnumber the one pound of weight(or whatever) pro in my opinion. There are plenty of tanks already out there to suit anyones needs. If you feel you just have to have one, all the power to you.

In the end you really have to do what makes you happy. Of course a forum is no good without debate either. I like to spawn debate lol.
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Well surely you didn't assume anyone is going to make you buy one?

Think about all the "plinkers" (like myself), tinkerers and the short and young who will have more options! Obviously it's a niche, but CO2 is currently going that same direction. Don't forget air is still safer than CO2!
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:00 PM #100
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It's my opion but here is why I see no value:

Pros:
-Small and light.

Cons:
-smaller and lighter. That means every time you pump your gun, it's going to move off your target that much more. A bad thing for pumpers. conjecture

-A gun with a lighter tank will become more top heavy. Bad balance means less accuracy. Smaller hopper mandatory. Added cost. conjecture

-probably will require a stock to use it, or at least a butt plate or rail system you may not already have. Added cost. conjecture

-if you ever play semi, this tank won't help you. Now you need more than one tank....added cost. If you don't play semi then you won't have a problem.

-Still heavier, more expensive and less efficient than Co2. Slap an anti siphon in your 7oz Co2 tank and enjoy for a lot less money, if consistency is an issue. Dirty Co2 is almost never a problem in pump play period. No noid.....no problem. Neither is the cold. I've played pump at -15 celcius no problem. Your paint will be more of an issue than Co2. Put a 3 dollar filter in if you think it may be an issue. If your'e still worried about Co2, then I don't kwow what to tell you. The act of pumping will affect your accuracy more than Co2 ever will. false

-fiber tanks need to be hydro'd every 3 to 5 years depending on certification(most are 5 years now). Added cost. no added cost because all fiber tanks are like that. This "cost" exists for all fiber tanks

-be prepared to spend a lot more time in the air lineup if you like to shoot or play long games. If you just pluck away here and there you'll be ok. If you're a back yard baller, you'll be switching back to a bigger tank in no time due to a lack of convenient air fills. Or you'll need extras. conjecture, why would a back player consider buying this? Fact is they, won't.
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Looks good. What are that actual specs of it? Is it a 22ci at 4,500 psi? If so that's awesome. Now I just got to find a buttstock that will accept it and woahla no more back tank or remote line.

No specs have been given at this time
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I hope that it's both certified for US and Canada!. You can't get a 45 4500 tank that I know of for Canada.
There are 45ci/4.5k tanks available that are TC approved.
At the pro-shop that I work at, we can get either Guerrilla Air or Pure Energy for those that want that type of tank.
The Ninja that we can get in that is close to that is the 50ci/4.5k (I use one on my T2)

I am interested in that tank. If it is TC'd, I want to know where I can get it for my pump players locally
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If they are over 2"o.d. they will have to be re-hydroed. IF they have to I would stick with my smaller tanks.

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