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Old 09-15-2012, 09:06 AM #1
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Dm12 breaking alot of paint?!

My dm12 is breaking a rediculous amount of paint (almost every shot with a hopper full of marbs) is there any setting i can change to fix this?
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Old 09-15-2012, 09:18 AM #2
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My dm12 is breaking a rediculous amount of paint (almost every shot with a hopper full of marbs) is there any setting i can change to fix this?


thats odd.., are you using stock settings? Id also reccomend to try a different bath or different type of ball, dms are really soft on paint, I mean i've shot paint that i drop mid waist and it breaks, I've had paint where you can blow it and it breaks.. that brittle..


is the rubber tip still on the end of your bolt? sometimes they come unglued and pop out.

my suggestion is to rebolt your bolt, make sure your chrono'd at 280ish

does it feel like it's shooting hard when you dry fire it? or when you chrono it does it spike in volcity? if so your reg needs to rebuilt/relubed


zero out both your LPR

try 21 dwell 3 1/2 turns on the LPR, and my advice would be to learn up on how to tune your own gun cause each gun will shoot differently, there is tons of info on here, also some youtube videos by mike from ******.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:47 AM #3
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are they chops or barrel brakes???

really odd as my dm rarely brakes paint, only if the paint is really bad...
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:14 PM #4
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are they chops or barrel brakes???

really odd as my dm rarely brakes paint, only if the paint is really bad...
very good question forgot to ask


A chop is when its inside the gun by the bolt, well a barrel break is a barrel break
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Old 09-15-2012, 03:27 PM #5
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Is the gun new or old? Battery? Pressures? Settings? Need more info.


If it is older check the eye pipe, I've seen cracked eye pipes break paint..
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Old 09-15-2012, 03:39 PM #6
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hopper settings?
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Old 09-15-2012, 04:25 PM #7
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I've never broken a ball with my dm (weird but true).

Either you have some protrusion in the breach thats literally cutting the paint, something in your barrel, or you're shooting way over 300 fps.

DM's are one of the softest guns on paint. Are you sure you aren't chopping? Maybe your eyes are off or the eyes are broken / problem with your electronics / board?

Even if your DM is tuned completely out of wack you'd still be hard pressed to break paint.


EDIT: Do you have a nice paint to barrel match? If you're trying to shoot a paintball the size of a water mellon through a barrel the size of a straw you are going to have problems (exageration but still, huge factor)

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Old 09-19-2012, 09:29 PM #8
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Change your eye pipe or detents. Try it before calling me crazy. Specially if it double feeds
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Old 10-20-2013, 08:55 PM #9
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:31 PM #10
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Sounds like someone doesn't have working detents.

Or your hopper is pushing down too hard with brittle paint. Marbs can get crazy brittle sometimes, especially this time of year.

Or your LPR is set way too high, or totally creeping up high.

We need more information about your setup really.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:32 AM #11
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Know a lot of these guys who have commented aren't experiencing ball breaks. I on the other hand have a BRAND NEW DM12 which I used yesterday for the first time. I was able to chrono at a consistent 280 fps. Dwell set at 20, Max ROF set at 20 bps, Trigger set at 3, Semi Automatic Firing Mode. When I got out onto the field, I was breaking paint bad. Almost every third or fifth shot. To me, it seemed more like a barrel break, but I really couldn't tell. Possibly it was getting chopped. Also, my paint was curving like Pedro Martinez about 20 yards down field about every 2nd or 3rd ball. I'm most positive that it's just a settings issue and/or some cheap or bad paint. I'm going to have to play with it a bit. In the end, I just thought it would be helpful to Zconley to know there is someone else experiencing the same issue.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:35 AM #12
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Know a lot of these guys who have commented aren't experiencing ball breaks. I on the other hand have a BRAND NEW DM12 which I used yesterday for the first time. I was able to chrono at a consistent 280 fps. Dwell set at 20, Max ROF set at 20 bps, Trigger set at 3, Semi Automatic Firing Mode. When I got out onto the field, I was breaking paint bad. Almost every third or fifth shot. To me, it seemed more like a barrel break, but I really couldn't tell. Possibly it was getting chopped. Also, my paint was curving like Pedro Martinez about 20 yards down field about every 2nd or 3rd ball. I'm most positive that it's just a settings issue and/or some cheap or bad paint. I'm going to have to play with it a bit. In the end, I just thought it would be helpful to Zconley to know there is someone else experiencing the same issue.
Sounds like Barrel breaks due to ****ty paint. Was your eyepipe covered in paint?
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:44 PM #13
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Barrel breaks are almost always the result of stack clipping. That means, balls waiting to be fed into the gun are being cracked by the bolt, then they drop down and get fired. They explode at this point. Sometimes the seams on the shells are just weak as well.

Stack clipping isn't an issue with durable paint, but the more brittle/cold the shell is, the more serious the problem will be. It's getting cold outside now and every year people have these problems.

How to prevent it.

Use more durable paint. Summer is over. If you look at your paint box optimal temperature to be used is probably higher or close to the temperature a lot of us are playing at this time of year. That means your paint is getting weaker. Switch to rec grade if you're playing in a part of the world that's cooler this time of year.

Raise your dwell and lower your LPR. Don't set your gun up at home where it's warm. Let it climatize to the conditions you're playing at, then run a high dwell and as low of an LPR setting as you can manage without losing consistency. Less force behind the bolt means less damage to paintballs in the stack.

Lower your hopper's feed tension. If balls in the stack can't "bounce" away from bolt impacts, because they're being pushed down hard, then they break. Most hoppers have an adjustable tension setting these days , but if yours does not dropping your max feed rate may help.

Lower your ROF. Shooting 20bps with paint that can't handle it, is silly. You're just making things worse and not hitting anyone. Lower your guns ROF and you may get more intact paintballs out of the gun. You can also raise you ball in place/eye delay/eye sensitivity settings to make sure paint is better settled in the breech before it's fired. Better to shoot 10bps and have every ball come out than 20 bps of wingers and spray.

Run an over bore barrel. When you fire a paintball it warps from the air pressure placed on it. A tight barrel with brittle paint means the ball will be under that much more stress when fired. Run a larger bore so the paint can warp with less stress on the shell. Forget about efficiency or consistency, you aren't getting any of that with a barrel full of paint anyway.

Keep your paint warm. If you're playing outside in the cold, try to keep your paint where it can stay warm. Even just leaving it in your car where the sun warms the interior can help. Warm paint is more flexible paint.

If you can't warm it up then you can add some flex to the shells of your paint by dumping it in a box and letting it expose to the air for a while. The shells will absorb moisture and soften up a bit. Keep testing with your fingers and then wrap it up before it gets too soft. Make sure you mix them up as they sit or only the top layer will gain the benefit.

Chrony your gun lower. It's a last ditch effort but dropping your velocity 20fps can sometimes make enough of a difference. You lose range but if the paint is that brittle it won't matter. Just move up a bit.

That's all I can think of for now. There are times when the paint is so crappy nothing you can do will make it better. Those times are very few. Usually there is something you can do.
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:00 AM #14
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^ . MstrKey's advice are great, as always. I would personaly start with the hopper 's feed tension.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:10 AM #15
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Absolutely appreciate the in depth response from MstrKey. Thanks.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:32 PM #16
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My dm12 was doing the same thing. Just breaking an ungodly amount of paint. My field paint is terrible. There was a few other players with dm's and we were all breaking paint. I have helped the issue though. Dwell 21, 3 turns on lpr, fresh battery, lower rotor tension and ordered new eye pipe and detents just in case.
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:01 PM #17
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No problem guys. Those rules apply to almost any gun, although most of the more modern designs(not all) compensate for the roll back issue in the breech.

I run my rotor about two threads out from flush on the adjustment screw. I'm shooting a valken proton but if my proton can go all summer without a ball break your Dm can.

You guys can do some drop tests on your paint as well. Drop from head height onto solid concrete. Let us know what happens. If every ball breaks on the first drop then you have some brittle stuff. I'd do the test once the paint has adjusted to the current temperature.
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