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Old 04-09-2013, 11:36 AM #1807
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You'll probably get more if you go BT first on Draven.
This. IE rush doesn't make much sense when his AD ratios are so good.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:08 PM #1808
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So as a general rule of thumb, is BotRK a first item for all ADC core builds? Or is it like BT, IE OR does it all depend on the laning situation.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:44 PM #1809
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IE rush is good on Caitlyn, Trist, Kog. BT first is good on Draven, MF, Graves, Ezreal, Vayne.

People have differing opinions on Bork. Seems popular as a first item on Vayne, maybe Varus and Trist. I guess Bork is an ok BT replacement if your champ scales better with attack speed than AD, as that's the main difference between the two. Or if you want to be a stronger duelist with the active then it can be good. In general I don't think it's a great first item for a carry.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:49 PM #1810
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This. IE rush doesn't make much sense when his AD ratios are so good.
That and it's cheaper meaning he would have had a completed PD instead of a zeal.
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I've been playing a lot of support lately. I used to be one of the people that would go nunu bb the adc and sit in the bush and think that's all support was. ive been playing a lot of lulu and its funny to see how careless some adcs are to lulu poke since she is a 'no dmg support'. I also played veigar support with one of my friends who went vayne. the double stun was crazy. I finished 1/2/15 but I don't see his synergy being as good with another adc as he is with vayne.

anyways lulu support + shard of true ice with nasus on the team is hilarious. my friend was playing nasus for the first time and we got caought out a bit fairly early in the game and both of our ults plus the shard gave him a quad. I know it isn't the best item for competitive play but when just dicking around in normal it was very entertaining.

tl;dr play support
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Old 04-09-2013, 02:46 PM #1812
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Nasus is ****ing stupid
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Old 04-09-2013, 03:24 PM #1813
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No he's just outdated, one of the funnest normal game champs.
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No he's just outdated, one of the funnest normal game champs.
Nasus is one of the top 3 competitive junglers right now. Nothing outdated about him
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:03 PM #1816
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I've been playing a lot of support lately. I used to be one of the people that would go nunu bb the adc and sit in the bush and think that's all support was. ive been playing a lot of lulu and its funny to see how careless some adcs are to lulu poke since she is a 'no dmg support'. I also played veigar support with one of my friends who went vayne. the double stun was crazy. I finished 1/2/15 but I don't see his synergy being as good with another adc as he is with vayne.

anyways lulu support + shard of true ice with nasus on the team is hilarious. my friend was playing nasus for the first time and we got caought out a bit fairly early in the game and both of our ults plus the shard gave him a quad. I know it isn't the best item for competitive play but when just dicking around in normal it was very entertaining.

tl;dr play support
Id prefer to support over playing ad anyday. Support is the one who controls the lane and actually gets to do stuff, if I feel like playing a champ that is going to sit and farm for 20min ill just play top, atleast then I wont die if people jump on me
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You'll probably get more if you go BT first on Draven.
i didn't have enough gold to buy a BF sword when I backed, so that's the reason why I went IE. Didn't matter though, builds aren't always 100% static in this game. People need to realize this.
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i didn't have enough gold to buy a BF sword when I backed, so that's the reason why I went IE. Didn't matter though, builds aren't always 100% static in this game. People need to realize this.
Then I would have saved pickaxe for last whisper, or just got vamp scepter and a dorans, or berserker greaves
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He's out dated as a top since he gets ****ed by everyone with a ranged poke or ddisengage.
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He's out dated as a top since he gets ****ed by everyone with a ranged poke or ddisengage.
no one plays him top
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Then I would have saved pickaxe for last whisper, or just got vamp scepter and a dorans, or berserker greaves
why would i build LW when their team has no armor?

again, people need to understand there's no 100% static build. you don't build x every single time. different situations call for different builds.
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:24 PM #1823
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the way it used to be for ad's(and still may be idk I hate the role) was if your champion did a lot of their damage from abilities(graves, sivir, MF), you would get BT(except vayne because of her **** range), and get IE on champs that were more for autoattacking(cait, trist, etc)

But like psybuster said build for what you need
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why would i build LW when their team has no armor?

again, people need to understand there's no 100% static build. you don't build x every single time. different situations call for different builds.
i didnt say i would get LW right away, i would save it for 3rd/4th item. I would probably just go back to lane and wait for BF, really.
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i didn't have enough gold to buy a BF sword when I backed, so that's the reason why I went IE. Didn't matter though, builds aren't always 100% static in this game. People need to realize this.
I understand that builds aren't static but I can't see a reason not to go BT first on draven or graves. If you don't have enough for BF there's no shame in pocketing some gold if you already Dbladex2 vamp scepter and zerkers. Other adcs are much more flexible, I'm not arguing that.

When you condemn a person with vayne into veigar wall do they get double stunned? Or is it not counted as terrain?
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I would say botrk>BT when it's a burst diver (say akali or zed) or someone who doesn't focus much on AD ratios like trist and doesnt need the sustain like a kog or cait. I normally only go IE first on cait, ashe, and trist (sometimes bork if they're really tanky with champs like jarv and cho who you wind up kiting around for a bit.
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I understand that builds aren't static but I can't see a reason not to go BT first on draven or graves. If you don't have enough for BF there's no shame in pocketing some gold if you already Dbladex2 vamp scepter and zerkers. Other adcs are much more flexible, I'm not arguing that.

When you condemn a person with vayne into veigar wall do they get double stunned? Or is it not counted as terrain?
I know any ability that would go through the wall that is not a blink or flash will still stun you. Not sure what happens if you condemn into it.

At best you will only get the veigar stun and not the vayne stun

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