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Old 01-30-2013, 11:38 PM #1345
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I just like spears. They're fun. When I play draft I'd play a real support. But when people auto lock and don't say anything. I play what I want.
Yeah I understand, it's good to have fun. Hell I even played Karma mid in a normal today.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:10 AM #1346
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:34 AM #1348
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support teemo is not good compared to normal supports. same with nid. they both can work, but theyre not the best options. hell im like 5-0 with support kat all at gold but i know that **** is retarded.
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Old 01-31-2013, 03:22 AM #1349
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Yeah I understand, it's good to have fun. Hell I even played Karma mid in a normal today.
I just kinda do whatever because my connection at school just puts me in the room last. So basically despite what I call and where it shows up on my screen...I'm the last in the room.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:47 AM #1350
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Yeah I understand, it's good to have fun. Hell I even played Karma mid in a normal today.
I would consider that a viable pick. It's what the Koreans do to counter ryze hard. Just not popular in NA
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:38 PM #1351
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Does anyone else think oracles should be 250 in 5s as it is in arams and maybe 3s? It's the same 5 minute/death thing but costs 150 more.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:22 PM #1352
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Does anyone else think oracles should be 250 in 5s as it is in arams and maybe 3s? It's the same 5 minute/death thing but costs 150 more.
I think it's healthy where it is TBH. Not many people in solo queue abused early oracles on junglers to begin with so all the change really did was balance it out for the competitive scene. In solo queue it really serves the same purpose as it did before: get oracles to clear wards for baron late game or for counter play.

Edit: Now that I think about it a price decrease wouldn't be too bad with the new top lane meta of massing pots and wards and just farming for late game.
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oracles needs to be where it's at so it is a risk to buy it early. If the jungler decides to blow 400g on it early and then die right away, he should have to pay for taking the risk, you need to decide if you want to clear wards, or have items. Supports should always be buying pinks to keep bot somewhat clear, and to gank top, people just need to be creative. I think the sightstone nerfs will help a lot. If they made oracles cheap, it would be stupid like in season 2 where everyone just rushed one
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:04 AM #1354
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I think it's healthy where it is TBH. Not many people in solo queue abused early oracles on junglers to begin with so all the change really did was balance it out for the competitive scene. In solo queue it really serves the same purpose as it did before: get oracles to clear wards for baron late game or for counter play.

Edit: Now that I think about it a price decrease wouldn't be too bad with the new top lane meta of massing pots and wards and just farming for late game.
I know soloq normally didn't do it, but I would get early oracles all the time and it was definetly OP. well your edit is the biggest issue. It's impossible for that 400 to pay off early, especially with less g on ward kills. You'll spend 400g for maybe 3 wards and to keep towers from takin too much damage. There is no way it's worth that much.

@impy, so are you saying 3's/proving grounds undercharges? Cause the oracles there will always be helpful if they have a stealth champion/items like teemo shrooms and Shaco boxes. Even with a baron dance, what makes an oracles better than 2 pinks? They can ward out pretty much the same area, cost is split and is cheaper, and you don't have to worry about it being useless gold cause they won't die asap
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@impy, so are you saying 3's/proving grounds undercharges? Cause the oracles there will always be helpful if they have a stealth champion/items like teemo shrooms and Shaco boxes. Even with a baron dance, what makes an oracles better than 2 pinks? They can ward out pretty much the same area, cost is split and is cheaper, and you don't have to worry about it being useless gold cause they won't die asap
Not really following what side of the argument you are on.


And oracles is fine being cheaper on proving grounds considering there are no wards and not that many invisible champs, plus you can buy Hextech sweeper and see shrooms just by standing near them. And as far as 3's, it needs to be cheaper because you arent getting the gold that you are in 5's, plus you cant really compare summoner's rift to any of the other modes considering the game is balanced around 5's, not 3's or aram
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Finally tried manamura on ryze, I don't see why everyone is saying to buy this (I was 8-0 by 20min wih AA) so I got it early like the guides say but I don't see a big difference considering your rotation comes off cooldown too quick to auto attack if you have 20%. By time you stack 2 tears they have enough mr and damage for me to need void or BV instead.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:45 AM #1358
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Finally tried manamura on ryze, I don't see why everyone is saying to buy this (I was 8-0 by 20min wih AA) so I got it early like the guides say but I don't see a big difference considering your rotation comes off cooldown too quick to auto attack if you have 20%. By time you stack 2 tears they have enough mr and damage for me to need void or BV instead.
You get it for its active, not for AD lol
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Yeah I know, but it drains mana so fast without chalice that you need to aa to get more damage after it leaves you mana less, I had 4.9k mana end game and was running out of mana before the team fights ended and since its based off current mana it doesn't give good output after your first rotation.

Edit: Maybe if my jungler gave me blue that game it might have been worth it but sacrificing void for that felt didn't seem worh it.
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Finally tried manamura on ryze, I don't see why everyone is saying to buy this (I was 8-0 by 20min wih AA) so I got it early like the guides say but I don't see a big difference considering your rotation comes off cooldown too quick to auto attack if you have 20%. By time you stack 2 tears they have enough mr and damage for me to need void or BV instead.
Nobody said to stack two tears.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:49 PM #1361
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When you go for muramana I think you should omit arch angels.
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The guide I got off solomid says get both, and AA is too good an item not to get.
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Well servers are down for season 3 update. I don't think I'll have much time to play until at least Sunday, so I'll be starting at the bottom of my group depending on how many people play. But I think this will be a better system then one giant ELO bracket.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:01 PM #1364
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Ended up Silver II (1322) on my smurf. Still waiting in queue to see what my main is. I'm guessing Gold V or Gold IV.
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:03 PM #1365
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Ended up Silver II (1322) on my smurf. Still waiting in queue to see what my main is. I'm guessing Gold V or Gold IV.
6 elo less than you (1316) and got silver III. Makes sense...
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