[DJ Bob (Banned)]

Originally Posted by azhector

If you have to carry every game, you're not in elo hell. It means you used to suck and you haven't had the TIME to get out. Also keep in mind how lanes snowball, a lot of people don't want to mess up. So if no lanes get an advantage early, they don't fold early. (in lower elos atleast). It's more annoying to hear the guys complain they carry games, when in all reality they are got snowballed from other people.

Not complaining that I'm in elo hell, but you're wrong.

You get a limited number of placement matches that have a huge effect on your elo, and if you get AFKers or feeders then, it doesn't mean you're less skilled than the guy that got carried through them. And not having the time to get out doesn't make it any less of an elo hell.

I'm aware of how lanes snowball. If you're a passive player that wins lanes in cs but tends not to snowball out of control, then you won't have as much of an effect on the game as your teammate that feeds early, and that happens a lot.

[azhector]

Originally Posted by DJ Bob

Not complaining that I'm in elo hell, but you're wrong.

You get a limited number of placement matches that have a huge effect on your elo, and if you get AFKers or feeders then, it doesn't mean you're less skilled than the guy that got carried through them. And not having the time to get out doesn't make it any less of an elo hell.

I'm aware of how lanes snowball. If you're a passive player that wins lanes in cs but tends not to snowball out of control, then you won't have as much of an effect on the game as your teammate that feeds early, and that happens a lot.

So you get screwed over and get a ****ty elo to start, if you don't deserve that elo; you'll be trending upwards instantly. Simple as that. It's proven being passive does nothing, if not hurt. You won't be as willing to fight, you probably won't be as likely to group, and 1 jungle gank that turns into a kill or two+dragon and that 20 minute farm fest is now in the other team's favor.

You're also throwing out the term feed too readily. So I get denied the first creep wave, and get turret dived l1 with 0 CS and now I'm 3 waves and a kill behind. My fault I can't lane now? Its up to the team to step up and help, because it's next to impossible to throw that lead away.

[white0ninja69]

i just started playing LoL a few days ago, so far my favorite champion to p[lay with is Udyr. I've been experimenting with many different builds and i was just wondering what you guys would suggest for build.

[freddyt]

i started out this season getting trolled and just not trying as hard on my second account, going from like 1600 to 1300 in the first 20 or so games. But after another 40 or so games im back to 1600. it just takes time

also what the hell happened to ahri? no matter how well i play i cant really carry games as easy as i used to. im 4-7 with her and i average a 8-2 k/d with a **** ton of cs

also whoever said you need 10+ rune pages is a retard. everyone ignore what he said. you dont need more than 2 to hit 2k lol. 10+ pages would be nice, but unless youre playing arranged at a really high level, you dont need more than 5.

[DJ Bob (Banned)]

Originally Posted by freddyt

i started out this season getting trolled and just not trying as hard on my second account, going from like 1600 to 1300 in the first 20 or so games. But after another 40 or so games im back to 1600. it just takes time

also what the hell happened to ahri? no matter how well i play i cant really carry games as easy as i used to. im 4-7 with her and i average a 8-2 k/d with a **** ton of cs

also whoever said you need 10+ rune pages is a retard. everyone ignore what he said. you dont need more than 2 to hit 2k lol. 10+ pages would be nice, but unless youre playing arranged at a really high level, you dont need more than 5.

unless you play one position you need 10+ to be nearly ideal for a decent champ pool

[bubba0315]

Originally Posted by DJ Bob

unless you play one position you need 10+ to be nearly ideal for a decent champ pool

this. a lot of champs will share rune pages but when you start overlapping different roles with the same rune pages, you're doing it wrong. especially in solo/carry roles, if you're not using the right runes, you're only setting yourself behind the other carry.

[memoon]

Originally Posted by DJ Bob

unless you play one position you need 10+ to be nearly ideal for a decent champ pool

I disagree. I have 4 rune pages.....one ad, one jungle, one generic ap, one generic support.

Worst case: I suffer a bit less MR or armor. Whoop-de-doo. Just for giggles, I played several matches without any runes at all. It made early game significantly ****tier, but end-game was negligible. Having a set of runes on that beefs up your armor, magic resist, ap/ad/pen is really all you need to be effective. It won't put you into elite status, but you don't need to shell out a bunch of real life dollars to compete at a reasonable level. Even then, you can get by with a handful of rune pages if you only play one position...which is pretty common in 5-man ranked.

[DJ Bob (Banned)]

Even as a top laner there are champs/matchups where you benefit greatly from having AD, movespeed, or flat regen quints. That's 3 pages right there and that's not even considering AP tops.

[azhector]

Also there's pages where you need to beef up like when yorick was strong and you had to run a ton of armor or people like cho who has multiple ways to build and play.

[dualimpact]

Pages
1. ADC(Phys)
2. ADC(ARPen)
3.APC
4.APC(Caster) - mana regen
5.AP(Health Reg) - hp regen
6.AD Top
7.AP Top
8. AD Jungle
9. AP Jungle
10. Support
11. Tank Support
12. Jungle Tank (avatrice quints)
13. Hybrid (jax)
14. Nasus

You don't NEED more than 5 pages but it sure as hell helps.

[Impy912]

anyone who thinks 1 page per role is good enough is a idiot. Different matchups call for different rune setups

[freddyt]

i have two rune pages. ad and ap. you dont need **** except runes for junglers. and i dont really like jungling soooooo

[DJ Bob (Banned)]

Originally Posted by freddyt

i have two rune pages. ad and ap. you dont need **** except runes for junglers. and i dont really like jungling soooooo

Then you're playing with stats that are far from ideal in the majority of your games.

[Psybuster]

^ I agree/disagree with the above statement. If you are playing against someone who is equally skilled as you are or better; you will want to run the most ideal rune page setup, so you don't get stomped. Since the game is all about taking small advantages and snowballing it from there.

If you are facing against someone who is much worse than you are, running less than ideal rune pages is just fine. I rather pickup 2-3 more champs than to finish out 1 rune page.

Matchmaking is all dependent on what side the pendulum is swinging on. When people are 1600 elo calling 1200-1300 elo people trash, that 1200-1300 elo can be just as good as that 1600 person. You get lucky/unlucky with how the pendulum swings. Which is why I don't understand why people rage so much in ranked queue. I don't even bother with ranked cause it's less fun than normal draft. A magical number shouldn't be a sole factor of making other people's gameplay experience unenjoyable.

[memoon]

Originally Posted by Psybuster

^ I agree/disagree with the above statement. If you are playing against someone who is equally skilled as you are or better; you will want to run the most ideal rune page setup, so you don't get stomped. Since the game is all about taking small advantages and snowballing it from there.

If you are facing against someone who is much worse than you are, running less than ideal rune pages is just fine. I rather pickup 2-3 more champs than to finish out 1 rune page.

Matchmaking is all dependent on what side the pendulum is swinging on. When people are 1600 elo calling 1200-1300 elo people trash, that 1200-1300 elo can be just as good as that 1600 person. You get lucky/unlucky with how the pendulum swings. Which is why I don't understand why people rage so much in ranked queue. I don't even bother with ranked cause it's less fun than normal draft. A magical number shouldn't be a sole factor of making other people's gameplay experience unenjoyable.

[Sand6452]

Question for you guys, with talking to some of the people I play with and watching streams. I've seen static shiv replace PD in some cases. How do you guys feel about that? Worth it or is PD better?

[DJ Bob (Banned)]

Obviously PD is better single target damage lategame but shiv is cheaper and a better early game item. If there are 4-5 people around it gives you more DPS but less on a single target.

[PBloler]

I just want to touch on elo hell since I missed that conversation. It is frustrating and I think it really does exist but my definition may be less extreme than others. It is a place where no matter your skill you cannot carry your teammates because their bad play outweighs your good play. I at one point (and deservedly so) was at 860 elo season 2. It does exist down there but even then you can get out, I just played pre nerf DFG eve and got silver in a week. Sometimes it does feel like it exists outside of 900 elo range but it's just bad luck up there. More often than not when you are above 1k elo your teammates are decent enough for you to carry if you are truly good.

[Sand6452]

Originally Posted by DJ Bob

Obviously PD is better single target damage lategame but shiv is cheaper and a better early game item. If there are 4-5 people around it gives you more DPS but less on a single target.

So for longer games definitely go with the PD?

[DJ Bob (Banned)]

If it gets to the point where you have enough gold to sell your Shiv for PD and are at full build, I would do it every time.

[venice empire77]

Just hit 30 after playing the game on/off basically since it came out.
People in ranked are easily 2-3x worse than in normals.

But only on my team