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Old 11-11-2012, 10:33 AM #610
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what about vayne?
My absolute most despised ADC. It's gotten to the point where I just ban her not to have to deal with her.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:54 AM #611
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My absolute most despised ADC. It's gotten to the point where I just ban her not to have to deal with her.
yea i refuse to play vs a vayne in lane unless im sivir just for the poke, but i wasnt sure if she is worth the time to pick up cause im sure she has the highest skill cap
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:37 AM #612
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She isn't hard to play against unless she has like leona or ali support, just use graves/cait and you can stay out of her range and harass like a boss.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:03 PM #613
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yea i refuse to play vs a vayne in lane unless im sivir just for the poke, but i wasnt sure if she is worth the time to pick up cause im sure she has the highest skill cap
Just because she might be the strongest late game hyper carry (mainly because of the true damage proc on every third hit) doesn't mean she has the highest skill cap. I would say the adc with the highest skill cap is Draven.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:21 PM #614
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She isn't hard to play against unless she has like leona or ali support, just use graves/cait and you can stay out of her range and harass like a boss.
Nunu/blitz are really strong with her too
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Just because she might be the strongest late game hyper carry (mainly because of the true damage proc on every third hit) doesn't mean she has the highest skill cap. I would say the adc with the highest skill cap is Draven.
Not because she can hyper carry, but because her range is so short in comparison to everyone else, positioning is so important. As well as knowing exactly when to ulti, knowing when to tumble to dodge or position or for damage, and for vayne knowing your exact damage trade is so important
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:55 PM #615
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Not because she can hyper carry, but because her range is so short in comparison to everyone else, positioning is so important. As well as knowing exactly when to ulti, knowing when to tumble to dodge or position or for damage, and for vayne knowing your exact damage trade is so important
Well that can be said for almost any adc, except for the short range.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:34 PM #616
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Well that can be said for almost any adc, except for the short range.
but everything is 10 times more important on her, she can get caught much easier, you need to know how to be extremely hard to catch in teamfights, you cant waste condemn and drop kill. cause killing a vayne asap is pretty easy, but just getting through your ulti is almost always a teamfight win; so again knowing how to use everything perfectly is the difference between from gg and an ace. although you can make that case with other carries, they are more safer in every sense
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:17 AM #617
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vayne is probably the hardest adc to play. also sivir doesnt counter her at all, its actually the opposite.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:46 AM #618
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vayne is probably the hardest adc to play. also sivir doesnt counter her at all, its actually the opposite.
I win probably 60-70% of the time with that matchup laning. Just around the start of mid game she does our scale sivir by a decent margin so you have to play kite/poke to win
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:57 AM #619
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I win probably 60-70% of the time with that matchup laning. Just around the start of mid game she does our scale sivir by a decent margin so you have to play kite/poke to win
....you don't kite a Vayne. It just doesn't happen. She just runs you down and murders your face while spamming /l.
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vayne is the weakest adc in lane
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:10 PM #621
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vayne is the weakest adc in lane
Not if you are able to play aggressive. Leona/Taric with Vayne can destroy any passive bot lane.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:35 PM #622
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vayne is def the weakest adc in lane, but sivir's shield and q dont really work too well against vayne
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:45 PM #623
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....you don't kite a Vayne. It just doesn't happen. She just runs you down and murders your face while spamming /l.
The way I play her, I do well enough. Mostly it's waiting for CD's to actually even trade damage while being closer to turret or a way to get safe before vayne's slightly better damage trade stacks too much
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vayne is def the weakest adc in lane, but sivir's shield and q dont really work too well against vayne
I use the shield not to get engaged on (blocking taric stuns, Leona's engage, nunu slow, blitz pulls) and if it's Leona I always use cleanse, and if it's nunu I generally run heal for the slightly extra sustain since vayne can chase much better

I normally don't use her q too often unless it's either a gaurunted hit, or for missed farm. I just level w a bit more and get the ability to quickly AA w back out for poke, or force her off farm to avoid the damage
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spell shield is more to avoid cc than damage. there are obvious exceptions, but not really in the laning phase.
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yeah thats not bad, but sivirs range isnt high and its a lot easier to lane vs vayne when youre playing cait, graves, or corki.

but honestly if the junglers and supports are even, the better adc will probably win the lane regardless of who counters who.
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yeah thats not bad, but sivirs range isnt high and its a lot easier to lane vs vayne when youre playing cait, graves, or corki.

but honestly if the junglers and supports are even, the better adc will probably win the lane regardless of who counters who.
You know Vayne has longer range than Graves? And the same range as Corki.
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yeah, but theyre really good early game.
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yeah thats not bad, but sivirs range isnt high and its a lot easier to lane vs vayne when youre playing cait, graves, or corki.

but honestly if the junglers and supports are even, the better adc will probably win the lane regardless of who counters who.
Oh I'm sure it is easier with graves or cait, but I don't own either right now. I think the fact i play so much sivir is another reason why I do well, cause I've noticed the more trist I've been playing, the more I win the lane like I can with sivir

Does Corki really win that matchup? I'm sure his Valkyrie is extremely helpful but he's rather squishy in comparison to other carries and it's not like he has a really high range to make up for it
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corki is the most burst damage of carries
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corki is the most burst damage of carries
He has consistent burst throughout the game with tri force but grabes with LW and BT is scary. When graves ult is up and he lands Q > R on a carry they are dead.
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