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Old 01-11-2013, 08:08 PM #1429
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Also, horizontal leg press is a decent machine. Going to take a massive break from any form of squatting unfortunately.
hey, you dont need to squat to get big quads. they'll grow with any form of progressive tension overload.
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That form was better than mine. Then again I'm doing them with 80-85# db's, but admittedly I don't bring them down as low as yours (by just a tad though) and I don't pause at the bottom.

I'd say keep at it but try increasing the weight. I'll bet you could do heavier weight with similar form if you went faster with the same ROM. Although again, you might want that.
i appreciate the suggestion, but im dead set on keeping the slow negatives. all of my sets for every exercise are like that (for the most part).
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:16 PM #1430
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typically my first couple exercises (typically more compound movements) i'll just go heavy and get the full ROM without worrying TOO MUCH (still not horrible though) about form and typically doing <10 reps per set. then I'll follow up with more isolation exercises where I'll focus almost solely on form and MMC while sacrificing in the weight department and get closer to 12 reps per set.

Example: shoulder day i'll start with heavy db press and smith military press and then move onto really light (15-20lb) raises where I will emphasize the negative and get a great MMC, often also doing unilateral sets.

Other example: chest day i'll start with heavy bb bench in almost a 5x5 fashion, followed by heavy db incline bench sets of 6-10, where pushing more weight is typically my concern, and then i'll move onto flyes and the chest press machine to really isolate and get the MMC on my chest.

that's just my style, and what i feel works for me. if you arent having any luck with your own routine/style then maybe you should try something else? (not neccessarily my suggestion but look into other things)

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Old 01-11-2013, 08:27 PM #1431
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i appreciate the suggestion, but im dead set on keeping the slow negatives. all of my sets for every exercise are like that (for the most part).
I would definitely give quick reps a try, your body might like the change. Emphasis on negatives will was the strength that could be used for strong contractions, IMO. You can use alot more weight when your no exhausting yourself from exaggerated negs.
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:47 PM #1432
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i do use more weight on the other push day. im running a push-pull-legs/phat style program, where the first day of p/p/l is a heavy day (as much weight as i can manage for 5 reps), then the next is a hypertrophy day (as much weight as i can manage for 8 reps). however, even on the heavier day, i keep the same slow rep tempo. any faster and i fear that ill get sloppy.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:12 PM #1433
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What is the Angus way?
I'm assuming he means pausing every rep, which I have incorporated into my training for the past 7 months or so. I'll occasionally do some rep work with a pause at the bottom and the top of every rep.
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If I go low like that, I disengage my delts and involve tris more than I would like. Id advise only going to 90 degrees. Lose the pause at the bottom and speed up the tempo. Keep a slow controlled negative after your last rep when you slowly lower the weights back to your shoulders

For db lat raises, I have found that moving a bench into the completely upright position and sitting with a completely flat back have helped really hit my side delts. I do 3 sets of 20 with 30 seconds between sets, super light weight. Possibly give that a try. As for the movement itself, I just pretend that I am trying to fly but pay attention not to involve your traps into it
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Also, horizontal leg press is a decent machine. Going to take a massive break from any form of squatting unfortunately.
I haven't had any form of free weight squats in my routine for over a year, and my legs are the biggest they've been. Not as "functional" as squats but the size is there.

This may be an opportunity for you, injury free gains. I would definitely recommend doing a 20rep breathing set to up the intensity of machine work.
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Dc made my legs biggest when I was squatting pretty seldom, though I was pulling like s maniac as well
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DC was such a damn good program. I might do that again in the future.
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I gained size the quickest when I was doing 5/3/1 with rest-pause assistance work. Then again, that was also during the tail end of my noob gains period, and I was actually learning quality information about lifting for the first time.
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DC was such a damn good program. I might do that again in the future.
It helped me get fat.
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i do use more weight on the other push day. im running a push-pull-legs/phat style program, where the first day of p/p/l is a heavy day (as much weight as i can manage for 5 reps), then the next is a hypertrophy day (as much weight as i can manage for 8 reps). however, even on the heavier day, i keep the same slow rep tempo. any faster and i fear that ill get sloppy.
I don't see any big guys doing slow negs, just sayin.

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i appreciate the suggestion, but im dead set on keeping the slow negatives. all of my sets for every exercise are like that (for the most part).
Just food for thought, but you were willing to admit that your delts are lagging in another thread. If you've been doing them like this for awhile, perhaps a change is necessary.

My shoulders have put on a lot of size lately going heavy and keeping things as explosive as possible. As I said before, I'd recommend trying LEMUR 2.0 Shoulders with rear delts tossed in. My DB press shot up to 75 with really clean reps (although it's a little scary on the first rep).
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You're absolutely right. I'm stubborn. I'll make an attempt at using the different forms described.
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Looks like your trying to **** the weights at the end
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You're absolutely right. I'm stubborn. I'll make an attempt at using the different forms described.
Eh, everyone gets stubborn when it comes to lifting. You don't even realize it until a few weeks have passed and you've barely progressed (speaking generally, not specifically about you).

It definitely seems like you will benefit from upping weight on presses.
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TIL that dips hit my chest better than any other chest exercise. brb doing them for the rest of my life.
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