Egypt protesters scale US embassy and tear down flag

Murph1329 · 09-13-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kfresh

10 of them were killed defending the embassy.

like i said before i'm sure there are nice muslims just like i'm sure there were some nice nazis....so what's your point?

nice people exist in every society...not every society is controlled by nice people

OhIoCoNtRActKilLa · 09-13-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeEnterprise

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It is so humorous to see how quickly you play the blame game. It's always the other parties fault, isn't it? These aren't American problems, they're Obama's problems, right? I truly do not understand people like you. Where will this country go if you are constantly *****ing and moaning about the opposite parties decisions? Is there no possibility of cooperation? No, it's only your way or the highway. United we stand... right.

FreeEnterprise · 09-13-2012, 10:39 AM

When a group declares war on the US, I recognize it.

People that don't recognize WAR when it is forced on them, can't be reasoned with...

Maybe you should apologize to someone for them declaring war on US?...

You can't cooperate with terrorists. Well, Obama is trying to, and we see where that is getting him. A burned down embassy and the ambassador being murdered and drug through the streets.

Good job liberals! Way to go! I feel much safer today than I did on 9/10...

better get out there on the campaign trail, or go golfing, or get back on TV again, cause the media won't ask you any tough questions, they are too busy trying to bury Romney.

Iamamartianchurch · 09-13-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaNeo36

I think it's a perfectly rational position to hold. The US flag has been so commoditized that its worth has degraded significantly. How am I supposed to view the thought that I should die for this object if it's sitting in the clearance isle of my local Target? The argument is nuanced though because while you may feel the flag has little value, a flag used in Gettysburg has tremendous value as a symbol for the country. Or if somebody landed on the Moon and took down one of the US flags it would also be different. Sure, a flag at an embassy offers a little uniqueness over something you'd find at a store but location is but a part of the whole. The thought of a flag being sacred because it's a flag is very one dimensional. And I'm not saying a proper symbol has to hold historical value it just has to hold value.

I think that's stretching the truth a bit. The end goal of these symbolic acts is to cause outrage and show disapproval. So, the notion they have the same result seems improbable when their impacts scale. If you boil the instances down, sure, they have the same goal of hating America but I don't see what that brings to the table.

You're not dying for that object. I don't believe anyone is truly that dense. Men die for ideas. Probably the most noble thing we can hope for.

As for the second part I said the goals are equal. Goals and results tend to differ. The results are contingent on the scale. Obviously. But thanks for the appendix.

OhIoCoNtRActKilLa · 09-13-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeEnterprise

When a group declares war on the US, I recognize it.

People that don't recognize WAR when it is forced on them, can't be reasoned with...

Maybe you should apologize to someone for them declaring war on US?...

You can't cooperate with terrorists. Well, Obama is trying to, and we see where that is getting him. A burned down embassy and the ambassador being murdered and drug through the streets.

Good job liberals! Way to go! I feel much safer today than I did on 9/10...

better get out there on the campaign trail, or go golfing, or get back on TV again, cause the media won't ask you any tough questions, they are too busy trying to bury Romney.

You are a very sad, sad person. I cannot even begin to comprehend your thought process. You are honestly off in your own little world, my friend, and I doubt that anyone can bring you back to reality.

Alas, you are entitled to your opinion just as any other. Unfortunately it contributes to the way I have to live my life in this country.

frankie says chillax · 09-13-2012, 11:03 AM

this thread represents typical american thinking down to the dot

Volucris · 09-13-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by frankie says chillax

this thread represents typical american thinking down to the dot

Iamamartianchurch · 09-13-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Volucris

You havent learned to ignore him yet?

Volucris · 09-13-2012, 11:23 AM

There are so many stupid people in this forum it's difficult to keep track.

Swerve22 · 09-13-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OhIoCoNtRActKilLa

You are a very sad, sad person. I cannot even begin to comprehend your thought process. You are honestly off in your own little world, my friend, and I doubt that anyone can bring you back to reality.

Alas, you are entitled to your opinion just as any other. Unfortunately it contributes to the way I have to live my life in this country.

Great ad-hom, but he's correct and you didn't show a stitch of evidence to the contrary. What exactly do YOU think is the correct response when people declare war on the united states?

Do you think we should cooperate with terrorists?

You really think Obama is taking foreign policy seriously (hint, he skipped his intel breifing once again right after the embassy attacks for a fund raiser)?

It seems you've got quite the ignorant viewpoint, but I don't blame you - propaganda is effective.

Iamamartianchurch · 09-13-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Volucris

There are so many stupid people in this forum it's difficult to keep track.

Start a list and sticky it.

FreeEnterprise · 09-13-2012, 11:34 AM

In the middle east America HAD three Allies. Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the other ally in the Middle East being Israel...

Obama just admitted Egypt is no longer an ally.

Liberals, THAT is a big deal.

Kind of like when our credit rating went to AA++ and is now getting ready to be LOWERED again.

Liberals are destroying our economy, they are hurting our allies (won't meet with Israel...) and they are apologizing for our rights.

How exactly do you libs fix this?...

SupraSuper · 09-13-2012, 11:37 AM

Actually we HAD more than 3 allies. Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Yemen, Turkey, Israel. Did I miss any?

OhIoCoNtRActKilLa · 09-13-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Swerve22

Great ad-hom, but he's correct and you didn't show a stitch of evidence to the contrary. What exactly do YOU think is the correct response when people declare war on the united states?

Do you think we should cooperate with terrorists?

You really think Obama is taking foreign policy seriously (hint, he skipped his intel breifing once again right after the embassy attacks for a fund raiser)?

It seems you've got quite the ignorant viewpoint, but I don't blame you - propaganda is effective.

Stitch of evidence regarding what? What are you talking about? I'm not here to defend either side being discussed. I'm pointing out how one sided FE is being with his responses.

Please, tell me what my point of view is, since you are so well aware of it.

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Originally Posted by FreeEnterprise

In the middle east America HAD three Allies. Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the other ally in the Middle East being Israel...

Obama just admitted Egypt is no longer an ally.

Liberals, THAT is a big deal.

Kind of like when our credit rating went to AA++ and is now getting ready to be LOWERED again.

Liberals are destroying our economy, they are hurting our allies (won't meet with Israel...) and they are apologizing for our rights.

How exactly do you libs fix this?...

You liberals
You liberals
You liberals
You liberals
You liberals
You liberals
You liberals

This is all I see from you. Simply amazing.

Swerve22 · 09-13-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OhIoCoNtRActKilLa

Stitch of evidence regarding what? What are you talking about? I'm not here to defend either side being discussed. I'm pointing out how one sided FE is being with his responses.

Everybody is one sided towards their own personal views. If you want to contribute, show how he is WRONG or INCORRECT. Don't complain because he has vews.

Matt.is.back2011 · 09-13-2012, 11:45 AM

Glad FE thinks the US should be allies with dictators who murder their own people en-mass and get condemned by the entire global community.

Obama stated that he's unsure if the new Egyptian govt is an ally of the US, because he is unsure of their goals and directions. It's still too early to tell what role they play in democracy and stability to the region.

$h@key J0nEZ · 09-13-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Swerve22

Everybody is one sided towards their own personal views. If you want to contribute, show how he is WRONG or INCORRECT. Don't complain because he has vews.

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Enough with the thought police and personal attacks.

Tafari Makonnen · 09-13-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SupraSuper

Actually we HAD more than 3 allies. Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Yemen, Turkey, Israel. Did I miss any?

That is a very optomistic list...

Volucris · 09-13-2012, 01:35 PM

http://freebeacon.com/reports-marine...ted-live-ammo/

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U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

mfw:

Swerve22 · 09-13-2012, 02:19 PM

That pisses me off.

FreeEnterprise · 09-13-2012, 02:34 PM

Don't worry, the US ambassador was sodomized by his attackers... While he was still alive. I'm sure it was during that 12 hours it took them to carry him to a hospital or something.

http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/Po...ia-zek-970.htm

The article also includes Obama apologizing for American free speech...