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Old 09-12-2012, 01:23 PM #85
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No, it gravely damages the image of Islam
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:24 PM #86
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If you mean it sheds light on how worthless of a religion it is then yes, it gravely damaged the image of Islam.

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Old 09-12-2012, 01:36 PM #87
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I expect that from someone who has never fought for it.
You've fought other people over a piece of cloth?
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:45 PM #88
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If you mean it sheds light on how worthless of a religion it is then yes, it gravely damaged the image of Islam.

Edit: I'm sorry of that last post offends you, please don't murder me.
No that's not what I mean. What I mean is that it makes Islam out to justify these types of actions when it does nothing but oppose them. It might be worthless to a society full of immorality, sodomy, alcoholism, drug addiction, materialism, fraud, racism, violence, war, hypocrisy, etc, but it's very important to a society with a strong set of values and morals who don't like when terrorists stomp on them.
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:45 PM #89
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I expect that from someone who has never fought for it.
This isn't any different than fighting over a book.
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:57 PM #90
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Muslim "extremists" you say?...

Have any of you read the Quran?

Here is a good place to start...

http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp

Surah 9.5 " then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);"


Guess what, YOU are all pagans... (or infidels as you are called in other versions of this muslim text).

The goal of Muslims is Sharia law. Read up on it... They can lie, steal, cheat, and manipulate you to get Sharia as the law of your land. Make no mistake, this was done on 9/11 on purpose, liberals want you to believe that it was because of this film, but, they were heard chanting "we are all Osama, Obama".

Meaning the Muslims were mad that Obama is going around bragging about killing Osama. And they ALL want to bring the fight to us. I guess bowing every chance and apologizing for America didn't get him the "love" he expected.

While our embassy in Libya is laying in rubble this morning and the evidence is pointing at our "muslim friends" who did that... with help from the people that were to "protect" our ambassador who was killed by these thugs. It was clearly a coordinated attack, as they KNEW where they took him for safety... Nothing like your "friends" turning you in to the so called "mob" who happened to have RPG's... Attacking our embassy is a declaration of WAR, they know it, and we SHOULD know it. But, our apologist in Chief will let the media help him blame Romney or something...

Corruption at the highest levels, and the fact that the embassy released a document apologizing for America before the attack took place is even more proof that Obama has no clue and is "on the job training" still, after 3 and a half years... We need a LEADER, not someone more concerned with winning the next election, instead of being a leader NOW when we need one.

America has been fighting Muslims since BEFORE we were America... Check your history, as pirates (Barbary pirates who ran under the black flag) were attacking our supply ships and we built a navy PRIOR to the US becoming the US, just to protect ourselves from those Muslim pirates who were stealing from us in the name of Allah. Hollywood made them into the caricature that you all have in your minds when you think of pirates.

I have some buttons from the uniforms of these men who sailed to protect our merchant vessels during that time prior to 1776 and the founding of the "US" military (which was made to protect us from invading Muslims).

This isn't a "new" problem, their goal doesn't change, they want to take over the world, you either join them, or they kill you. And if you ask them directly, they can lie and manipulate you and that is perfectly acceptable to their religion.
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You've fought other people over a piece of cloth?
Don't be dense. It's about what the flag represents, same as a book or a piece of paper: an idea.
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You've fought other people over a piece of cloth?
See above post
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:02 PM #93
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No that's not what I mean. What I mean is that it makes Islam out to justify these types of actions when it does nothing but oppose them. It might be worthless to a society full of immorality, sodomy, alcoholism, drug addiction, materialism, fraud, racism, violence, war, hypocrisy, etc, but it's very important to a society with a strong set of values and morals who don't like when terrorists stomp on them.
Whoa whoa whoa are you saying that a society that places no restrictions on individuals will end up with nothing but individuals who are slaves to their base desires?
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It is more than a piece of cloth, it is an idea. The red in on it because of the blood of my brothers and I.
Beat you to the punch.
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:06 PM #95
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Muslim "extremists" you say?...

Have any of you read the Quran?

Here is a good place to start...

http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp

Surah 9.5 " then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);"
Could you maybe quote Sura 9.6, you know, the verse right after it? Or are you gonna leave that one out. You also should quote the entire verse 9.5, so as to not be dishonest. Seems like you only posted a little snippet of the verse. Maybe you could also explain the context in which that specific verse was revealed?

Turns out the attack was in response to Al-Qaeda's #2 leader Abu Yayha Al-Libi (a Libyan) being killed a few months ago. I guess they used the anger over the video for cover to attack the consulate in response to their leader being killed. Watching Fox News report on it as I type this.
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Could you maybe quote Sura 9.6, you know, the verse right after it? Or are you gonna leave that one out. You also should quote the entire verse 9.5, so as to not be dishonest. Seems like you only posted a little snippet of the verse. Maybe you could also explain the context in which that specific verse was revealed?
but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure.


And prior to it talks about honoring treaties to "pagans" that haven't wronged you, or helped someone else who wrongs you.
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So what is your solution, FreeEnterprise? You would like to battle hate with hate? You are no different than them, then.

Your ridiculous quotes remind me of a book you may be familiar with, the Bible.

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Just a few that l found with a quick Google search.
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Yea, when you take stuff out of the story... it doesn't really make sense, does it?

Just taking Psalms as an example, do you know what they were?
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No that's not what I mean. What I mean is that it makes Islam out to justify these types of actions when it does nothing but oppose them. It might be worthless to a society full of immorality, sodomy, alcoholism, drug addiction, materialism, fraud, racism, violence, war, hypocrisy, etc, but it's very important to a society with a strong set of values and morals who don't like when terrorists stomp on them.
I judge people by their actions. Muslims have been comitting acts of this kind in the name of Islam as long as I can remember. I generally don't like to tar an entire group of people with the same brush, but the Muslims who live in the Middle East (and in other predominantly Muslim countries) haven't given me much reason not to believe that they are at best indifferent to acts of violence committed in the name of their religion.
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Don't be dense. It's about what the flag represents, same as a book or a piece of paper: an idea.
Books and paper do not represent ideas to me, they communicate information. What world do you guys live in? Lose your egos.
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I judge people by their actions. Muslims have been comitting acts of this kind in the name of Islam as long as I can remember.
Then you have a very short memory. Can you tell me how often condemnation from Muslim leaders is broadcasted in the mainstream media. Surely, you've done thorough searches to actually see if these leaders constantly condemn terrorism, right?

And if you judge people by their actions, what's your judgement about Americans?
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Books and paper do not represent ideas to me, they communicate information. What world do you guys live in? Lose your egos.
So books and paper communicate ideas.

You pretensions ****.
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So what is your solution, FreeEnterprise? You would like to battle hate with hate? You are no different than them, then.

Your ridiculous quotes remind me of a book you may be familiar with, the Bible.







Just a few that l found with a quick Google search.

And as usual, people who don't understand scripture pull from the old testament...

You do realize there is a difference between the old testament and the new testament right?..

The OLD testament is everything BEFORE Christ. The rules changed when Christ offered himself to die for our sins. That is why we don't worship in temples, and sacrifice animals, or have our diet limited... Shoot, we are GENTILES (well most of us) and the old Testament was for the Jewish people.

Muslims don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and they certainly don't believe that they can have salvation by just accepting the blood of Christ to cover their sins.

But, my words on Islam stand, if a Muslim is honest with you (which they have no reason to be, since they are taught to lie to the infidel and mislead them and steal from them with the goal of taking over their country and lands for Allah) they would tell you that their goal is to destroy our culture, and make us follow sharia law.

You can read more on this ideology here.

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Books and paper do not represent ideas to me, they communicate information. What world do you guys live in? Lose your egos.
Then you lack the capacity for proficient abstract thought.
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So, instead of just playing along and making their own video playfully making fun of Jews, they go in a butthurt frenzy and kill people.


Islam is like that fat kid in elementary school that gets bullied for being a fat **** and then cries and wonders why he can't lose weight.
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