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Old 09-21-2012, 01:09 PM #463
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can we stop blaming political parties and start blaming the people who are actually at fault? i dont believe these protests are anything but a few very small group of angry muslims who cant control their anger towards people who dont share their beliefs
That would be all well and good except one particular administration claimed to have gotten everything under control with a bold new strategy to sit back and do nothing at times while supporting groups who are known to have radical ties and who's full intentions we know nothing about at other times.

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I'm just trying to make a point that no matter what he does, people are going to criticize him. It's a lose-lose situation, which is why this country isn't getting anywhere. Politicians are too busy pointing the blame.
People are always going to be criticizing eachother in politics - don't get involved if you don't like that fact. The real question is whether or not the criticisms have teeth. They don't if you're doing your job competently.

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What should have been done by the U.S. once it became apparent these revolutions were beginning to spark?
The bolded will have to be further defined to come to any sort of possible conclusions or strategies. Every situation is different.
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:10 PM #464
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That's because the goal of our foreign policy stopped being to protect American interests at some point in the last 3 years.
The kicker is that the American empire lacked sustainability. It is a question of how long we wish to delay the inevitable.
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:17 PM #465
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:01 PM #466
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That would be all well and good except one particular administration claimed to have gotten everything under control with a bold new strategy to sit back and do nothing at times while supporting groups who are known to have radical ties and who's full intentions we know nothing about at other times.
there is nobody who could have been in power that would have prevented a ****ing riot in the streets by ignorant people.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:33 PM #467
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The kicker is that the American empire lacked sustainability. It is a question of how long we wish to delay the inevitable.
Which is ultimately what I was wanting to get at: what could we have done which would have been more than simply kicking the can further down the road?
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:41 PM #468
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Which is ultimately what I was wanting to get at: what could we have done which would have been more than simply kicking the can further down the road?
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:49 PM #469
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Our military might simply is not going to get us by for long. We fell trap to the same thing as the British did with battleships and the Hittites with chariots. Stupidly effective machines of war which are also stupidly expensive. Yet they are eventually beaten out by tactics they aren't prepared for since they are out of the norm.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:40 PM #470
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there is nobody who could have been in power that would have prevented a ****ing riot in the streets by ignorant people.
Looking at the larger picture, not the fact that muslims like to riot. Look at what happened in Egypt as a result of the "arab spring".

Meanwhile the one place where we had the ability to support positive change - Supporting Mousavi who although damadged goods was far more willing to work with the US and integrate Iran with the rest of the world - Obama wet his pants and rotated on his thumb with his foot in his mouth.
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there is nobody who could have been in power that would have prevented a ****ing riot in the streets by ignorant people.
What happened at the consulate in Benghazi was no riot.
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Now THIS is interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19680785

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At least four people have been killed in the Libyan city of Benghazi after military police and protesters took over several militia bases.

The violence followed a day of protests by tens of thousands of citizens demanding an end to the armed groups.

The bases include the HQ of the Islamist group Ansar al-Sharia, suspected of involvement in an attack on the US consulate in the city.
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Witnesses say supporters of Ansar al-Sharia lined up outside its headquarters, in front of the crowd, waving black and white banners.

They fired into the air to try to disperse the protesters, but fled with their weapons after the base was surrounded by waves of people shouting "no to militias".
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Earlier, some 30,000 protesters marched through Benghazi calling for an end to the armed groups and a return to the rule of law.
Libyans march against Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi. 21 Sept 2012 Thousands of Libyans in Benghazi marched against the presence of militias

There has been a wave of hostility towards the militias since US Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others Americans died in the 11 September attack on the Benghazi consulate.
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Many Libyans have expressed outrage at the attack on the US consulate, which followed a protest triggered by an anti-Islam film made in the US.
Those who have been saying that ALL Libyans or ALL Muslims or whatever are responsible for the atrocities better open their eyes and think again.
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Those who have been saying that ALL Libyans or ALL Muslims or whatever are responsible for the atrocities better open their eyes and think again.
Outrage means nothing, if you don't rise up and do somthing about it. ALL of them are guilty, just like ALL christians are guilty because they have not stopped people like Phelps.

and you can take that to the bank.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:53 PM #474
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Outrage means nothing, if you don't rise up and do somthing about it. ALL of them are guilty, just like ALL christians are guilty because they have not stopped people like Phelps.
what bull****
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Michael Phelps holds the record for most gold medals in Olympic history. I think Christian groups have done the right thing by leaving him to himself.

Gays on the other hand have contributed nothing to society but Barney Frank and AIDS. Because no gay has taken up armed resistance against Barney Frank nor AIDS, they should all be punished.

edit: And you can deposit that into your checking account.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:23 AM #478
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Outrage means nothing, if you don't rise up and do somthing about it. ALL of them are guilty, just like ALL christians are guilty because they have not stopped people like Phelps.

and you can take that to the bank.
So by your logic all of the failings of the gay community are your responsibility? Man you are the worst Republican I've ever seen.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:33 AM #479
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So by your logic all of the failings of the gay community are your responsibility? Man you are the worst Republican I've ever seen.
Unlike most of the armchair activists here. I do somthing with my time, I work hard to undo the stupidity of the "gay community" at every turn. I am active in groups that push for a moderate view, to end "pride events", and yes to push the understanding that the LGBT community needs to stop being so passive about the "religious problem" here in this country.

What have you done to stop the problems, what have you done other than make a few posts about "tolorance" The only thing extremeists understand is a extreme reponse. The only way we, as good people are going to be rid of extremists like Supra there, is to remove them as a society from among us, and to quote a man who got it "by any means nessessary"
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So you wish to inhibit people's ability to practice their first amendment rights. Nice.
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So you wish to inhibit people's ability to practice their first amendment rights. Nice.
I just advocate that we as good people, respond in kind to the supra's of the world and remove the problem at hand.
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I just advocate that we as good people, respond in kind to the supra's of the world and remove the problem at hand.
Who are you calling good? I see nothing good in you, and I've never claimed to be good. You preach hate and violence at people who are not exactly like you. You have zero tolerance for anyone, even within you're own community.

You talk about an "extreme response" to extremists, yet that is the exactly same level of thinking that led them to their extremism.
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http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-...s-after-attack

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Hundreds of protesters angry over last week's killing of the U.S. ambassador to Libya stormed the compound of the Islamic extremist militia suspected in the attack, evicting militiamen and setting fire to their building Friday.

In an unprecedented show of public anger at Libya's rampant militias, the crowd overwhelmed the compound of the Ansar al-Shariah Brigade in the center of the eastern city of Benghazi.

Ansar al-Shariah fighters initially fired in the air to disperse the crowd, but eventually abandoned the site with their weapons and vehicles after it was overrun by waves of protesters shouting "No to militias.
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The march was the biggest seen in Benghazi, Libya's second largest city and home to 1 million people, since the fall of Gadhafi in August 2011. The public backlash comes in part in frustration with the interim government, which has been unable to rein in the armed factions. Many say that officials' attempts to co-opt fighters by paying them have only fueled the growth of militias without bringing them under state control or integrating them into the regular forces.

Residents of another main eastern city, Darna, have also begun to stand up against Ansar al-Shariah and other militias.

The anti-militia fervor in Darna is notable because the city, in the mountains along the Mediterranean coast north of Benghazi, has long had a reputation as a stronghold for Islamic extremists. During the Gadhafi era, it was the hotbed of a deadly Islamist insurgency against his regime. A significant number of the Libyan jihadists who travelled to Afghanistan and Iraq during recent wars came from Darna. During the revolt against him last year, Gadhafi's regime warned that Darna would declare itself an Islamic Emirate and ally itself with al-Qaida.


But now, the residents are lashing out against Ansar al-Shariah, the main Islamic extremist group in the city.
If the this whole ****ty mess works to galvanize democratic ideals and rejection of the destructive mentality associated with radical Islam, then the Americans murdered didn't die in vain.
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