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Old 10-24-2012, 02:00 PM #106
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Before we bring the boys back home, we need to ditch the information economy. If we have any hope of sustaining ourselves.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:11 PM #107
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What happened to that small businesses are job creators talking point? Dropping it for the bigger government bit?

Even with the cuts no one can match our military.
Right. Under Obama, military spending will be cut, leading to thousands of more unemployed workers. (My mother included)

Small business is a major economic booster and job creator, but Obama wants to continue business regulation and taxation increases. This keeps small business and corporations in a constant fear of being taxed, which creates a fear of creating jobs by hiring new employees.

About military powers catching up to us in technological advancement: This would definitely not happen all of a sudden, but if we do in fact cut our military spending, our advancement will be slowed down. This could give other military powers an advantage if they are able to lessen the gap between our tech and theirs. Though nations may not be able to match our advances, some nations have far superior numbers which could make up for that lack of technology. This is a rare thing, but could happen at some point in time.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:33 PM #108
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I thought this was a good read btw... its just a summary from Fact Check of Obama's 1st term.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/obamas-numbers/
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It's gotten to the point where we need fact checkers for fact checkers.
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I'm pretty sure if something that huge went down those mutual defense agreements would be invoked and we'd have no problems, period.
A lot can change in the time that it takes to bring a new capital ship on-line. We were hamstrung badly enough by the attack on Pearl Harbor. If our carriers had been in port as expected when the Japanese attacked, the Pacific theater would have played out differently.

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If more needs to be done the UN,NATO, etc. can step up.
You have A LOT more faith in the UN than I do.

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Before we bring the boys back home, we need to ditch the information economy. If we have any hope of sustaining ourselves.
You caught my attention with this. Do expound, please.

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Old 10-24-2012, 03:29 PM #111
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It's gotten to the point where we need fact checkers for fact checkers.
Damn
This is actually quite true and quite distressing.
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:09 PM #112
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A lot can change in the time that it takes to bring a new capital ship on-line. We were hamstrung badly enough by the attack on Pearl Harbor. If our carriers had been in port as expected when the Japanese attacked, the Pacific theater would have played out differently.



You have A LOT more faith in the UN than I do.



You caught my attention with this. Do expound, please.

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The information economy is self referential. It produces ideas and entertainment, mostly, that typically has little relevance outside of the individual consumer. It shouldn't come as any surprise that just about any economist will tell you that immigration is a good thing for the economy. The information economy requires infinite growth. This means more consumers are required.

The only thing that keeps it from devouring itself is our large military which tips economic relations in our favor. Not only that, but it allows us to steal portions of the productivity of other nations. We think of it, you make it. You can't stop the inevitable imbalance without a little coercion.
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immigration I believe is a good thing for the United States. It is when so many of those immigrants are here illegally that it becomes an issue. (My state)
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:58 PM #115
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The information economy is self referential. It produces ideas and entertainment, mostly, that typically has little relevance outside of the individual consumer. It shouldn't come as any surprise that just about any economist will tell you that immigration is a good thing for the economy. The information economy requires infinite growth. This means more consumers are required.

The only thing that keeps it from devouring itself is our large military which tips economic relations in our favor. Not only that, but it allows us to steal portions of the productivity of other nations. We think of it, you make it. You can't stop the inevitable imbalance without a little coercion.
My question went more toward how and why before we bring our boys home.

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Old 10-25-2012, 08:30 AM #116
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Let us try that again:

Even that one is off. At first glance, the 63 and 67 are decommed and the 65 is scheduled for decomm in... a little over a month.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:10 AM #117
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My question went more toward how and why before we bring our boys home.

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Could you clarify your question?
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:13 AM #118
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Even that one is off. At first glance, the 63 and 67 are decommed and the 65 is scheduled for decomm in... a little over a month.
I don't remember the timeframe, but the Nimitz is scheduled to be decommissioned as well. Im pretty sure its a few years out. Career killer they call that boat
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It's gotten to the point where we need fact checkers for fact checkers.
Damn
Because facts aren't true unless they come from liberal fact checkers.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:31 AM #120
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Even that one is off. At first glance, the 63 and 67 are decommed and the 65 is scheduled for decomm in... a little over a month.
They are still in our possition and capable of reactivation within a relativley short period of time.
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Apparently you haven't heard about the JFK's "problems". She will never sail again.
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Because facts aren't true unless they come from liberal fact checkers.
Have you ever used factcheck.org? They don't just post claims that may go against your preconceived notions of the truth; they provide citations and sourced to their claims so people can look them up for themselves.

What is liberal about that?
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Right. Under Obama, military spending will be cut, leading to thousands of more unemployed workers. (My mother included)

Small business is a major economic booster and job creator, but Obama wants to continue business regulation and taxation increases. This keeps small business and corporations in a constant fear of being taxed, which creates a fear of creating jobs by hiring new employees.

About military powers catching up to us in technological advancement: This would definitely not happen all of a sudden, but if we do in fact cut our military spending, our advancement will be slowed down. This could give other military powers an advantage if they are able to lessen the gap between our tech and theirs. Though nations may not be able to match our advances, some nations have far superior numbers which could make up for that lack of technology. This is a rare thing, but could happen at some point in time.
So you're saying you're all about the government creating jobs?

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Have you ever used factcheck.org? They don't just post claims that may go against your preconceived notions of the truth; they provide citations and sourced to their claims so people can look them up for themselves.

What is liberal about that?
Everything. Don't forget that colleges are liberal indoctrination centers and guess where those skills are key?
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Have you ever used factcheck.org? They don't just post claims that may go against your preconceived notions of the truth; they provide citations and sourced to their claims so people can look them up for themselves.

What is liberal about that?
If it's against his agenda, it's fraudulent. Come on now... it's tried and true concept!
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Apparently you haven't heard about the JFK's "problems". She will never sail again.
It was scheduled for a year+ overhaul to remain in service, which was cancelled. There is no reason that this cannot be completed and the ship returned to service. It is currently in the reserve fleet, though given the history of the ship it is likely to end up on loan as a museum. I do not believe any of the ships in that image have been slated for scrapping.
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