[shakeyjonez]

Originally Posted by Swerve22

we're experiencing the "McJobs Recovery"

Pretty much sums it up. I guess it's a good thing Obama is big on food stamps. We'll need em' when he wins in Nov. Besides Romney would just dry **** everybody then sail off on a yacht.

Ron Paul 2012

[barrel roll]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

mostly people in the northeast and west

basically, everyone outside of the confederacy

You make ignorant jokes, as the NE tried to succede as well.

[jamest91]

Originally Posted by Treghc

Interesting correlation you're jumping to there, given the percentage of college graduates that are democrats compared to republicans...

Or are you trying to say something else?

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It appears that Obama has successfully created more jobs for Americans in his first four years of presidency than Bush did in his first four years (though, that's still not saying much). Also, Obama seems to have officially created a net positive in job creation even after being inaugurated in the midst of such a terrible crash of the economy.



This, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

You submit that poll and yet the national unemployment rate is still almost double what it was when Bush left office during a recession.

[TheSilentAssassin]

Originally Posted by jamest91

You submit that poll and yet the national unemployment rate is still almost double what it was when Bush left office during a recession.

Unemployment was 7.6% in January of 2009 (inaugurated jan 20th).
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/arch...t_02062009.pdf

Now it's 8.1%.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

That's not doubling.

[AlphaNeo36]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/27/news...ion/index.html

[Treghc]

Originally Posted by Swerve22

rabble rabble rabble

So yes, you quoted ONE small bls statistic which is the number of people hired month to month and ignored everyting else that doesn't fit your narrow "Obama saved the economy everything's great now" narrative.

Uhh... Could you please point out where I said that?

Jesus, dude... calm the **** down. All I said was that he's created jobs. That's it. Loosen up.

[quakcer]

Obama caught lying out of his *** again

[Swerve22]

Originally Posted by Treghc

Jesus, dude... calm the **** down. All I said was that he's created jobs. That's it. Loosen up.

And I showed how you were regurgitating an irrelevant talking point in order to present Obama as something he's not. No biggie, just move on.

[licence2kill]

so we need more stimulus then...

[jamest91]

Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

Unemployment was 7.6% in January of 2009 (inaugurated jan 20th).
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/arch...t_02062009.pdf

Now it's 8.1%.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

That's not doubling.

I said almost doubled. When Bush left office as well as during the area of his term when the recession was coming about, national unemployment was roughly 5.5% or lower with a peak of 6%. Under Obama over 4 years the rate has been about 8.5-10% never dropping below 7.2%.

*According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics

[licence2kill]

james, go back and read that post.

and then explain to me why you're wrong

[drgonzo]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

james, go back and read that post.

and then explain to me why you're wrong

What do kids learn in school these days anyway? That proof is optional?

[Treghc]

Originally Posted by Swerve22

And I showed how you were regurgitating an irrelevant talking point in order to present Obama as something he's not. No biggie, just move on.

I'm interested in knowing what you compare Obama's first term to so that we can objectively measure his performance? Which other presidents in history have taken office right in the midst of an economic recession as severe as Obama's?

More straight to the point: How do you know Obama hasn't done a decent job given the circumstances? What are you comparing his presidency to in order to take that stance?

[Swerve22]

Originally Posted by quakcer

Obama caught lying out of his *** again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOM85...feature=g-u-u]

If Obama's talking, he's lying.

Originally Posted by Treghc

I'm interested in knowing what you compare Obama's first term to so that we can objectively measure his performance? Which other presidents in history have taken office right in the midst of an economic recession as severe as Obama's?

More straight to the point: How do you know Obama hasn't done a decent job given the circumstances? What are you comparing his presidency to in order to take that stance?

I think the best way to know that is to look at how this recession has played out vs. others in the past.

[Treghc]

Originally Posted by Swerve22

I think the best way to know that is to look at how this recession has played out vs. others in the past.

And which recessions (and their subsequent relative aspects) are you using as a source?

[StellarKnight]

More of the same? Not from the Obama administration!

New Justice Department Documents Show Huge Increase in Warrantless Electronic Surveillance

...between 2009 and 2011 the combined number of original orders for pen registers and trap and trace devices used to spy on phones increased by 60%, from 23,535 in 2009 to 37,616 in 2011.

During that same time period, the number of people whose telephones were the subject of pen register and trap and trace surveillance more than tripled. In fact, more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade.

During the past two years, there has also been an increase in the number of pen register and trap and trace orders targeting email and network communications data. While this type of Internet surveillance tool remains relatively rare, its use is increasing exponentially. The number of authorizations the Justice Department received to use these devices on individuals’ email and network data increased 361% between 2009 and 2011.

Because these surveillance powers are not used to capture telephone conversations or the bodies of emails, they are classified as “non-content” surveillance tools, as opposed to tools that collect “content,” like wiretaps. This means that the legal standard that law enforcement agencies must meet before using pen registers is lower than it is for wiretaps and other content-collecting technology. . . .The content/non-content distinction from which these starkly different legal requirements arise is based on an erroneous factual premise, specifically that individuals lack a privacy interest in non-content information. This premise is false. Non-content information can still be extremely invasive, revealing who you communicate with in real time and painting a vivid picture of the private details of your life.

“No more illegal wiretapping of American citizens,” then-Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) declared in August 2007. “No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists.


“I . . . never thought that I would see that a president would act in direct defiance of federal law by authorizing warrantless NSA surveillance of American citizens,” Eric Holder, June 2008.

So what changed between 2007/2008 and now?

[licence2kill]

anyone find it odd that swerve wants more jobs created but doesn't want stimulus?

am i the only one that finds this crazy? if you don't want more stimulus then you're obviously content with our current employment figures.

[quakcer]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

anyone find it odd that swerve wants more jobs created but doesn't want stimulus?

am i the only one that finds this crazy? if you don't want more stimulus then you're obviously content with our current employment figures.

It's not government's job to create jobs, it's their job to make favorable economic conditions so companies will be able to hire more people and to make it easier for people to start their own companies.
Clearly you don't know how this works. You think hiring people to dig holes and then fill them back up counts as a job.

[shakeyjonez]

I'd prefer the gov didn't have anything to do with the economic conditions. They've screwed up enough already.

[licence2kill]

Originally Posted by quakcer

It's not government's job to create jobs, it's their job to make favorable economic conditions so companies will be able to hire more people and to make it easier for people to start their own companies.
Clearly you don't know how this works. You think hiring people to dig holes and then fill them back up counts as a job.

if its structural, as you are suggesting, there isn't really much the government can do...so you have no reason to blame obama...

but if it isn't structural (which it isn't) then the problem is nominal, and can be corrected by the government.

also i do think hiring people to dig holes can improve the economy. the point behind it is that increased spending on output, no matter what it is, can boost economic performance. it's up to the market after that to put resources to good use.

[quakcer]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

if its structural, as you are suggesting, there isn't really much the government can do...so you have no reason to blame obama...

There's a lot he already did which was waste trillions of dollars.

also i do think hiring people to dig holes can improve the economy. the point behind it is that increased spending on output, no matter what it is, can boost economic performance. it's up to the market after that to put resources to good use.

You're pretty delusional if you think paying people to do nothing is good for the economy. If a job doesn't produce a product or service, that's called a waste. Why would you rather pay people to do nothing rather than pay people to do something useful?