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Old 11-08-2012, 09:09 AM #925
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I don't think it's wrong to assume there isn't either. But let me ask you this. If we attempt to right this inequity, are we merely setting ourselves up to lick someone else's boot?
No, because we built the system and have built in many safety features.

He who controls the wealth, controls the politics. Who controls the wealth?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:31 AM #926
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No, because we built the system and have built in many safety features.

He who controls the wealth, controls the politics. Who controls the wealth?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:54 AM #927
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Your over confidence is your weakness.
If it's so precarious you surely have examples at hand.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:07 AM #928
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If it's so precarious you surely have examples at hand.
Control of wealth by any one group has, historically, never been a permanent fixture. How many examples of deceased empires would you like? Do you think portions of southern Europe enjoyed being invaded by the Islamic caliphate after the fall of the Roman Empire?
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:11 AM #929
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So now we're at risk for am invasion of non-whites who are going to take control?
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:18 AM #930
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So now we're at risk for am invasion of non-whites who are going to take control?
No I'm telling you that entropy is a mother****er. You can't control the reigns forever. Historically, invasions were popular, then colonization, and so on down the line. India used to be a prosperous place until the West sucked her dry and continues to do so. Do you think that we will find ourselves in a similar situation if we cede control? History says yes. The methods change but the ends are fairly consistent.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:17 PM #931
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He who controls the wealth, controls the politics. Who controls the wealth?
According to L2K, wealth would not exist except for the government. If that is true, it follows that the government ultimately controls the wealth.

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Old 11-08-2012, 12:27 PM #932
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According to L2K, wealth would not exist except for the government. If that is true, it follows that the government ultimately controls the wealth.

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necessity for creation =/= necessity for existence.

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Old 11-08-2012, 12:36 PM #933
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necessity for creation =/= necessity for existence.

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the wealth does not exist independent of the state
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:44 PM #934
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I'm sorry. I assumed he was making an argument that he wasn't. As I don't believe that, I'll leave the conversation for him.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:45 PM #935
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So, short of essentially adopting Democrat positions on those issues, how should the Republic party move forward without turning this into a one-party system?

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No. NO.

For example: Accepting the high likelihood that climate change is occurring is not a democratic position. It is a scientific position. The democratic position is how they're responding to that reality.

I would love to hear a rational, more market-based approach to the climate change issue. Instead all we hear from the GOP is denialism.
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Is it objection to the Democrats or to climate change??

Take a few steps back, and look at it again.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:56 PM #937
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No. NO.

For example: Accepting the high likelihood that climate change is occurring is not a democratic position. It is a scientific position. The democratic position is how they're responding to that reality.

I would love to hear a rational, more market-based approach to the climate change issue. Instead all we hear from the GOP is denialism.
We can save the debate over ACC for another thread. You must have missed my post about an energy policy that, while not specifically tailored to reduce CO2 emissions, does accomplish that over the long term.

What else?

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Old 11-08-2012, 01:11 PM #938
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Is it objection to the Democrats or to climate change??

Take a few steps back, and look at it again.
I don't follow.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:31 PM #939
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I'm not convinced that the objection to climate change isn't just an objection to something from the Democrats.
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I'm not convinced that the objection to climate change isn't just an objection to something from the Democrats.
Interesting. I read an article that suggested something along these lines the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

edit: here it is - http://www.salon.com/2012/11/05/why_..._southern_men/

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We can save the debate over ACC for another thread. You must have missed my post about an energy policy that, while not specifically tailored to reduce CO2 emissions, does accomplish that over the long term.

What else?

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Hold the phone big guy, if it's not targeting the issue it's not addressing the issue.
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Hold the phone big guy, if it's not targeting the issue it's not addressing the issue.
Go read it.

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Old 11-08-2012, 04:00 PM #943
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I have no idea where it is.
Well, crap. The thread it was in is now gone, and it was a long enough post I don't feel like retyping all of it. All I can find is a short entry in this Google search.

In short as related to this topic, I would open drilling in federal lands but include a surtax, 1/4 of which would be to develop renewable sources. In the mid-term, I would transition to CNG which burns much more cleanly. Long term, I would look to develop renewable sources, especially those in which foreign powers do not have a big lead.

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It sounds like you're addressing the issue of foreign energy dependence, and almost completely neglecting climate change. The longer we put this off the bigger the impacts are going to be, economic and otherwise. And it's not a linear relationship. As we release more GHG's into the atmosphere, the climate will deviate from 'normal' exponentially. And as the climate deviates more and more from "normal", the costs associated with that deviation are going to grow exponentially. The potential costs here are huge.

Market forces do a great job reacting, but without outside influence, only once things have already gone in the ****ter. They are inherently reactionary. When things are pushed away from equilibrium, the market seeks to return to equilibrium. With the knowledge and resources we have today, there is no reason for us to sit around and wait for that to happen when the potential costs are so high.
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Climate change doesn't even exist. This is what's wrong with this country. People being duped into believing the atmosphere is shrinking due to cars we've had for 50 years. What the ****. More oil, more energy, ****ing now.
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