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Old 11-24-2015, 08:36 AM #1
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Using Hydraulic Lines for Air

We need to get another 150 feet of hose for our field indoors, and I am trying to confirm that the brain trust here agrees that I am getting what I need.

In talking to some local suppliers, we have come up with the following product. It is made for hydraulic, but has the pin pricked coating for air.


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182-04:REELED 1/4" SAE100R8 THERMOPLASTIC HYDRAULIC HOSE

Does this sound about right?

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Old 11-24-2015, 08:50 AM #2
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What pressure are you using??

SAE100R8 has a max rating of 5K

SAE100R13 has a working pressure of 5K
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:51 AM #3
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We are using 4500 psi air. The sales guy told me it was rated for 5k, with max burst of 20000psi

Is 1/4 a good size? Using it to run two fill stations at the other end.
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Old 11-24-2015, 11:28 AM #4
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1/4" is a good size. You're not moving a large volume of gas. I do 700' runs for Living Legends with 1/4" hose with no trouble.

You can also put a bulk tank near your fill panel to act as a reservoir, if you feel the panels are filling too slowly.
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Old 11-24-2015, 12:03 PM #5
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1/4" is a good size. You're not moving a large volume of gas. I do 700' runs for Living Legends with 1/4" hose with no trouble.

You can also put a bulk tank near your fill panel to act as a reservoir, if you feel the panels are filling too slowly.
Excellent idea as well.

Thank you!
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Old 11-24-2015, 02:26 PM #6
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The pin pricked cover is pretty much mandatory for hose that is going to be cycling pressure and is over about 20' long. There is a layer of fiber that is wrapped around the inner layer and the cover. Pressurizing the hose expands the inner layer to the fiber "strength" layer and actually compresses the air that is trapped between the inner and outer layer. With a long run of hose, that is a fair bit of air. If there are no pin pricks to allow that air escape, it has to go somewhere so it will create a bulge or "olive" in the outer skin. It doesn't hurt the function of the hose but can sure freak you out when you see this big bulge!
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Old 11-24-2015, 02:30 PM #7
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The pin pricked cover is pretty much mandatory for hose that is going to be cycling pressure and is over about 20' long. There is a layer of fiber that is wrapped around the inner layer and the cover. Pressurizing the hose expands the inner layer to the fiber "strength" layer and actually compresses the air that is trapped between the inner and outer layer. With a long run of hose, that is a fair bit of air. If there are no pin pricks to allow that air escape, it has to go somewhere so it will create a bulge or "olive" in the outer skin. It doesn't hurt the function of the hose but can sure freak you out when you see this big bulge!
Now it makes sense. I always wondered why they said th eoutside needed to be perforated. Thank you for sharing. I am being quoted $4 a linear foot for this run Canadian (About $3 USD.) Seems pretty good price and quality from my research.
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Old 11-24-2015, 05:51 PM #8
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Hey fellow Canadian! We got our hose for a lot less than that

I did what you're probably doing, and tried to research it online. Waste of time I found.

We got ours from a local hose supplier, http://www.hoseheadquarters.com/locations/ in our case. Much cheaper than I was expecting (less than $4/ft).

These guys share the same name, but different company I believe, but they're near you: http://hosehq.com/hose-headquarters/
Just call them and explain what you're doing.
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Old 11-24-2015, 06:41 PM #9
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i've always had bad luck with hydraulic hose, i've had multiple brands/PSI rating

in the end it all bubbles up and pop's even after a short time
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:42 PM #10
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Hey fellow Canadian! We got our hose for a lot less than that

I did what you're probably doing, and tried to research it online. Waste of time I found.

We got ours from a local hose supplier, http://www.hoseheadquarters.com/locations/ in our case. Much cheaper than I was expecting (less than $4/ft).

These guys share the same name, but different company I believe, but they're near you: http://hosehq.com/hose-headquarters/
Just call them and explain what you're doing.
Yeah thats how I have been doing my research, calling the various suppliers. Greenlinehose was the cheapest and seemed to know what he was doing the best. Any way you could find an old receipt with the specs of what you bought?

In one of your old posts you said you dealt with greenline as well.

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Old 11-26-2015, 06:48 PM #11
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DO NOT use hydraulic hose. It's made for liquid not air. If not immediately but overtime it will eventually get pin holes and leak.

Before I knew better I bought 400ft from a local field that shut down. Lasted 5min. Now I know.
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Old 11-26-2015, 07:03 PM #12
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I've been told the thermoplastic perforated hose is designed for air as well as for fluids. So not sure how that compares to what you had purchased used.
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Old 11-26-2015, 10:43 PM #13
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Not sure. When we are talking that much pressure I just go with what I know is the best. I get everything from August Industries in TX.

http://www.augustindustries.com/
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Old 11-26-2015, 11:12 PM #14
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Not sure. When we are talking that much pressure I just go with what I know is the best. I get everything from August Industries in TX. http://www.augustindustries.com/
Tim is right! The best there is and very cost effective. All we have ever used! Oh and service quality is mother freaking top notch!!!
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Old 11-27-2015, 10:46 AM #15
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http://www.midwesthose.com/Products/...Hydraulic_Hose

This place in OKC ships worldwide and priced me for 2 wire 5,800 psi working pressure (MWH2SN-04) hose at $1.77 a foot

I thought that price rocked.

International Orders call:800-375-2358 email:sales@midwesthose.com
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Old 11-27-2015, 11:22 AM #16
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DO NOT use hydraulic hose. It's made for liquid not air. If not immediately but overtime it will eventually get pin holes and leak.

Before I knew better I bought 400ft from a local field that shut down. Lasted 5min. Now I know.
Ive also heard the same and decided to go with August Industries and have been very happy with them. Their quality and price is great
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Old 11-28-2015, 10:06 AM #17
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Also found this and according to specs is made for compressed air applications.

http://www.discounthydraulichose.com.../r2-04-asb.htm

Only $1.22 a ft or a 500ft roll for $552.30
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Old 11-29-2015, 10:33 PM #18
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yeah we buy ours locally for about $2 a food canadian... rated to 5800 psi working pressure

works great... have over 800 feet of hose buried inside pvc pipe.. 6 years, no leaks or anything.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:24 AM #19
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The right hose for air is thermoplastic. Rubber IS cheaper and works. But it wears slowly. Air flow can cause the rubber to wear by making little "balls" of rubber dust that can travel through the system and clog up the tiny orifices of regulators and valves.
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:34 AM #20
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I was in this same situation at the beginning of this year.
I know "air" hose is way more expensive than hyd. hose but, its rated to do the job you are asking it to do...not for just pressure but, it's literally designed for air...not fluid.

My cost was $2800 for running lines vs. $800 ish... It was a big pill to swallow but it has held up all year...no leaks, no bulges, no wasted money repairing or down time (especially at tournaments).

If you are looking to save a few bucks.. going with a 3000 psi rated hose and setting your output pressure from your compressor or tanks to 3000 is doable but the savings minimal and you might have customers wining about 4500 fills...but that's is the trade off if the budget is tight and you don't get 4500 psi (or higher) rated air hose.

My two cents.
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Old 11-30-2015, 09:39 AM #21
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I ended up getting the thermoplastic hose and talked him down to $3 a foot. Once I had it back it at my field it appears that its the same as the hose I have been using that I bought from another field that closed down.

Thanks for all the input!
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