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Old 12-25-2012, 11:25 PM #64
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You guys win. You're also blatant liars or just plain retarded. Who knows. All we need is the Army. Merry Christmas.
And your just billy badass technical on the mother ****ing spot, so please Stonewall Jackson please tell us like it is, because you must be knee deep in CAS missions, TRAPS, and every other ****ing air asset going on in sheather.


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They still have to get clearance... However, if someone can't get it and the **** is hot enough on the ground, then the pilot needs to make the call and go in. Sort of like the read from "Night Stalkers" when a 160th bird was denied permission to extract a SF nest team. They said **** it, got shot up, saved everyone, thrown into a hearing, and asked to tell the story because it was remarkable.

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Pilots are only as good as the set of balls they grow.
Goes back to this statement I made, I know rotor pilots dont give a ****, that goes for both Army and Marine rotors, they want to get in as close as possible, give solid effects of target and give the grunts what they need where they need it. They dont give a **** about the airframe or taking a few bullet holes. Fast movers are ****s IMO and very rarely, in the 4 tours Ive done have I seen them work like rotors. Of course clearance and ROE's will always get in the way of saving grunts lives, and risk of a aircraft is more important than the lives of a pinned down platoon, but what the **** do I know.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:04 AM #65
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And your just billy badass technical on the mother ****ing spot, so please Stonewall Jackson please tell us like it is, because you must be knee deep in CAS missions, TRAPS, and every other ****ing air asset going on in sheather.







Goes back to this statement I made, I know rotor pilots dont give a ****, that goes for both Army and Marine rotors, they want to get in as close as possible, give solid effects of target and give the grunts what they need where they need it. They dont give a **** about the airframe or taking a few bullet holes. Fast movers are ****s IMO and very rarely, in the 4 tours Ive done have I seen them work like rotors. Of course clearance and ROE's will always get in the way of saving grunts lives, and risk of a aircraft is more important than the lives of a pinned down platoon, but what the **** do I know.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:15 AM #66
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Yup, you got me. I'll revise my comment to "remove airpower from the current theater that is Afghanistan and our ***** would have been kicked from the get go with the ROE and tactics we are allowed to use".
Tense is not uniform in your sentence, making it difficult to read.

Are you talking about some of the ODA's early on who didn't have air support (yet toppled the Taliban in major areas), or current units (like mine) who receive no air support their entire deployments, yet still accomplish their mission?

Airplanes are not overhead of every firefight in Afghanistan, buddy. Not even the majority.

Try again.
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Tense is not uniform in your sentence, making it difficult to read.

Are you talking about some of the ODA's early on who didn't have air support (yet toppled the Taliban in major areas), or current units (like mine) who receive no air support their entire deployments, yet still accomplish their mission?

Airplanes are not overhead of every firefight in Afghanistan, buddy. Not even the majority.

Try again.
My apologies on the tense issue. Guys, I know air support isn't the end all to be all solution to every TIC or engagement and with the current ROEs and what not, I know you guys run into issues with getting the right ordinance where you need it if it even happens. My only statement is that air support has played a critical role from the start to current day. I don't see how you can argue with that. I've been in many a overhead circle a couple miles out from the LZ not having permission from the ground commander to land to pick up bleeding out soldiers/sailors/airmen due to the bureaucratic process of getting the air support needed to beat back the enemy a bit.

And again, I am speaking in the broad overall sense of the conflict. Not your current specific mission or missions in the past.
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