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Old 08-24-2012, 10:35 AM #43
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Not necessarily. I believe that there are some absolutes. Murder is always wrong, theft is always wrong, assault is always wrong, etc. I think a just society is one that protects the personal and property rights of individuals, but errs on the side of being permissive of behaviors that don't violate other people's rights. Basically if something isn't causing harm (pissing them off or offending their sensibilities doesn't count) to somebody else, then people ought to be free to do it.
It sounds as though those absolutes are in place to protect the latter position I described at the expense of the former. Does that makes sense? Not a critique, I'm just trying to understand your views.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:04 PM #44
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All real conservatives owe it to the country to vote for Gary Johnson. Get the word out!
I tell liberals on the fence about reelecting Obama that Gary Johnson and Obama are friends. And they should vote for him.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:44 AM #46
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Yes, Gary Johnson is an excellent choice!
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What about Jill Stein, Gonzo?
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:26 AM #48
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Gonzo just wants as few people voting for Romney by splitting the vote.
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:02 PM #49
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yeah it's pretty obvious. progs sure are scared of romney.
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:00 PM #50
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No thanks on the atheist with the plan to keep the fed. Ima vote for Ron Paul.
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:42 PM #51
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yeah that'll work out for you. since Ron Paul is on the ballot.

the united states is not a theocracy. this is the biggest downfall for conservatives (besides the whole republicans lying about what they actually stand for).

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Old 09-10-2012, 04:33 PM #52
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i think an insufficient supply of money decreases total liberty

but then again you're just a troll. so im wasting my time
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he has a good point. the fed has a role in this economic crisis. but GJ does plan on a radical audit of the fed, which is better than your two mainstream candidates
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i've read gary johnsons fed rhetoric and its the same crap you hear everywhere from internet libertarians who don't understand monetary policy.
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yeah that'll work out for you. since Ron Paul is on the ballot.

the united states is not a theocracy. this is the biggest downfall for conservatives (besides the whole republicans lying about what they actually stand for).
I look at that last sentence, and I scratch my head. I look in the mirror, and I see none of that.

What I'm not understanding is why no one is up in arms over what the dnc did for adding those two new lines to their platform.
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you don't think people call hypocrisy when republicans claim to love the constitution while simultaneously driving Christianity into laws and platforms? I think that's one of the biggest criticisms of the republican party. definitely regarding their social platforms.

obviously Christian influence has dominated policy making since the writing of the constitution, but I'd argue that was often because it was the will of a people who were mostly conservatively Christian.

license, what would you do with the fed?

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Old 09-10-2012, 05:37 PM #58
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simplest explanation: print more money

more complicated: NGDP level targeting
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he has a good point. the fed has a role in this economic crisis. but GJ does plan on a radical audit of the fed, which is better than your two mainstream candidates
I'd take GJ over Hussein and the Mormon anyday but my political views are more inline with Dr. Paul's.
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coming from a relatively basic knowledge of economics, I can understand NGDP targeting, and I see why it's so attractive. What I don't understand (or like) is the dependence on the government to use stimulus plans to boost the economy in uncertain times. Further, how long do we allow inflation (be it 2% or 8% a year) until we have to take the Tokyo approach and get down to near 0% inflation rate?

the biggest issue I have with inflation is how long term investments in savings or low-interest bonds are outgrown by inflation. Saving money is losing money, and it's hard to find tangible, realistic, and somewhat safe things to invest your money in just to break even over time, rather than your money losing its value. I guess that's the focus point of a working economy; gotta keep the people spending for the wheels to turn. nothing happens if everyone goes to savings accounts.
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I'd take GJ over Hussein and the Mormon anyday but my political views are more inline with Dr. Paul's.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:45 PM #62
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coming from a relatively basic knowledge of economics, I can understand NGDP targeting, and I see why it's so attractive. What I don't understand (or like) is the dependence on the government to use stimulus plans to boost the economy in uncertain times. Further, how long do we allow inflation (be it 2% or 8% a year) until we have to take the Tokyo approach and get down to near 0% inflation rate?

the biggest issue I have with inflation is how long term investments in savings or low-interest bonds are outgrown by inflation. Saving money is losing money, and it's hard to find tangible, realistic, and somewhat safe things to invest your money in just to break even over time, rather than your money losing its value. I guess that's the focus point of a working economy; gotta keep the people spending for the wheels to turn. nothing happens if everyone goes to savings accounts.
This is Keynes idea of multipliers and circular flow. In reality, you can't invest money you don't have without major risk and leverage. This is why capital comes first, you need to accumulate wealth to risk and invest. The way monetary policy is, it forces people who have savings and retirement accounts to take riskier bets investing in companies rather than relying on accumulating interest for loans.

I don't like it for similar reasons you don't. It's not fair for someone who chooses to under consume in the present in order to live more comfortably later on in life (retirement). With no real return on savings, the Fed's policy encourages spending money now before it becomes less valuable in the future and therefore doesn't go as far.
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coming from a relatively basic knowledge of economics, I can understand NGDP targeting, and I see why it's so attractive.
Hmm, I don't think you do understand it because then you wouldn't have written this:

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What I don't understand (or like) is the dependence on the government to use stimulus plans to boost the economy in uncertain times. Further, how long do we allow inflation (be it 2% or 8% a year) until we have to take the Tokyo approach and get down to near 0% inflation rate?
Have to take the Tokyo approach? Do you even know what the BOJ has been doing since 1991? Perpetual deflation and zero NGDP growth.

The BOJ has been strangling the japanese economy with ultra-tight monetary policy for 20 years.

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the biggest issue I have with inflation is how long term investments in savings or low-interest bonds are outgrown by inflation. Saving money is losing money, and it's hard to find tangible, realistic, and somewhat safe things to invest your money in just to break even over time, rather than your money losing its value. I guess that's the focus point of a working economy; gotta keep the people spending for the wheels to turn. nothing happens if everyone goes to savings accounts.
Savers don't care about inflation they care about NGDP growth per capita. When NGDP growth exceeds the expected rise they get upset as they are taking home less of the national income pie than they expected.
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