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Old 08-20-2012, 09:42 PM #43
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Except that's not what happens. A better example is, if I were to get into a car accident, and get money from an insurance payout, and use that money, I'd be ... well perfectly normal like every other rational citizen of the US.
So a person losing their job and needing food stamps is the same as getting into a car accident?

When a person needs food, and the Government puts its hand into my wallet to take money, then gives my money to the person who needs food... that's theft!

If you think otherwise, then I'll be right over to your house... please leave your wallet in plain view. I need a few things and the Government is taking too long.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:42 PM #44
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A chart from the White House. I leave more credibility in piles of stinky waste in my toilet.
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Check out that huge blue chunk that says "Welfare"... Oh wait!?!?
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:46 PM #46
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A chart from the White House. I leave more credibility in piles of stinky waste in my toilet.
It's the ****ing budget. You don't believe the budget?

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Our public policies are based on the people's perceptions every election day!
Should they be? Should we be making public policy by what the uninformed electorate believes to be true or by what is actually fact?
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It's the ****ing budget. You don't believe the budget?


That illustrates only discretionary spending.



Discretionary spending is a spending category through which governments can spend through an appropriations bill. This spending is optional as part of fiscal policy, in contrast to entitlement programs for which funding is mandatory
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:47 PM #48
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img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png/800px-U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png[/img]
You're joking, right?
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:50 PM #49
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So a person losing their job and needing food stamps is the same as getting into a car accident?
They are both negative life events, yes.

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When a person needs food, and the Government puts its hand into my wallet to take money, then gives my money to the person who needs food... that's theft!
No it's not, any more than your insurance company is stealing from you when rates go up.

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If you think otherwise, then I'll be right over to your house... please leave your wallet in plain view. I need a few things and the Government is taking too long.
Why do right wingers always make bull**** analogies like this? No reason to make a load of crap up, the rules and regulations of the food stamp program are publicly and easily available. No need to make up some irrelevant, inane example. Food stamps programs apply to you the same way they apply to everyone else.
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You're joking, right?
I'm not going to argue the validity of a chart found on wikipedia, but the fact remains that you showed a chart that illustrates simply discretionary spending. Not a very useful chart for this conversation, wouldn't you agree?
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:54 PM #51
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I'm not going to argue the validity of a chart found on wikipedia, but the fact remains that you showed a chart that illustrates simply discretionary spending. Not a very useful chart for this conversation, wouldn't you agree?
Lol, this is getting funny...
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Why do right wingers always make bull**** analogies like this? No reason to make a load of crap up, the rules and regulations of the food stamp program are publicly and easily available. No need to make up some irrelevant, inane example. Food stamps programs apply to you the same way they apply to everyone else.
As long as we're on the topic of regulations for food stamp programs, look at the type of **** people can buy while on those types of assitance programs. Oh, you want soda and candy and a ton of other ****ty food? Sure, here ya go! Makes zero sense dude. If they revamped that program to allow people to only buy "healthy" ****, then maybe it'd be an easier pill for me to swallow.
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Lol, this is getting funny...
You still have yet to bring anything other than rhetorical bull**** and an irrelevent chart to this thread. Appreciate your contributions.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:59 PM #54
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No it's not, any more than your insurance company is stealing from you when rates go up.
As I said, the key difference is that I can opt of out of auto insurance by not owning a car. I cannot, however, opt out from the Government taking my money to fund entitlement programs.


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Food stamps programs apply to you the same way they apply to everyone else.
Wrong. I'm sure I do not qualify for food stamps.
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You still have yet to bring anything other than rhetorical bull**** and an irrelevent chart to this thread. Appreciate your contributions.
I'm still waiting for any evidence what so ever to support the belief that welfare is out of control...
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The key thing with insurance is... I CAN OPT OUT! I can choose to not have auto insurance by not owning a car. I can choose to not buy health insurance (err... I gues not anymore with Obamacare - but that's another thread.) I can opt out of insurance, but I cannot opt out of Government sponsored theft!
You do know that you don't have to live here right?
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Old 08-20-2012, 10:02 PM #57
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You do know that you don't have to live here right?
Nor do you. Permit me to introduce you to that friendly cave. It has entitlement programs!
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I'm not going to argue the validity of a chart found on wikipedia, but the fact remains that you showed a chart that illustrates simply discretionary spending. Not a very useful chart for this conversation, wouldn't you agree?
The term "welfare" typically excludes social security and medicare/medicaid in wonk circles.

Those are referred to as social insurance programs.
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Nor do you. Permit me to introduce you to that friendly cave. It has entitlement programs!
I'm not the one shaking my fist at society...
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I'm not the one shaking my fist at society...
I'm not alone here buddy. This is how change comes about.
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I'm still waiting for any evidence what so ever to support the belief that welfare is out of control...
I've provided all I need to. No one here is going to be swayed by a stranger on the internet. Either you believe in handing someone else your hard earned money or you don't. Or maybe you're just on the receiving end and don't want the gravy train to stop rolling.

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You do know that you don't have to live here right?
Did you not see all of the questions I addressed toward you or do you not want everyone to know? I'm genuinely curious, so PM me if you want.
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Old 08-20-2012, 10:16 PM #62
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i saw it but i'm not answering it. you don't need to know anything about my personal life or my family.
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Well since we all love assumptions here, I'm going to assume you don't work and both your parents hate you because you're a whiny liberal.
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