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Old 08-01-2012, 06:26 AM #1
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Empire Sniper w/ CCM Springs?

Has anyone tried putting a CCM Hammer/Valve spring in their Empire Sniper? I ask because from what I've seen and read, the Sniper is heavily sprung and fart a bit out of the factory. Also, since it has a 11/16th valve (Spyder/Trilogy), I was wondering if it needed a different type of valve spring. Any info is appreciated as I hope to pick one up for my birthday in a couple of weeks. Thanks!
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:39 AM #2
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Call ccm and get the ss25 springs.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:41 PM #3
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That what I was thinking, I'll try it when I get an Empire Sniper. I saw this video of a guy who put CCM springs in his Sniper and it still farted. Maybe it wasn't tuned?

He shoots at 1:35.

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Old 08-02-2012, 07:46 PM #4
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the Snipers use 11/16 valves similar to the trilogys, the Normal CCM sniper springs will not fit, although the hammer spring MAY work it will be too light for any Off the shelf valve springs
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:22 AM #5
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That's my video and yes both the valve and main spring fit .
the CCM main spring is smaller then stock so i put a nylon washer behind main spring.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:31 AM #6
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That's my video and yes both the valve and main spring fit .
the CCM main spring is smaller then stock so i put a nylon washer behind main spring.
When you changed out the springs was there a noticeable difference in the sniper?
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:13 AM #7
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That's my video and yes both the valve and main spring fit .
the CCM main spring is smaller then stock so i put a nylon washer behind main spring.
really? thats good to know, i had it backwards
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Old 08-04-2012, 10:43 PM #8
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Has anyone tried putting a CCM Hammer/Valve spring in their Empire Sniper? I ask because from what I've seen and read, the Sniper is heavily sprung and fart a bit out of the factory. Also, since it has a 11/16th valve (Spyder/Trilogy), I was wondering if it needed a different type of valve spring. Any info is appreciated as I hope to pick one up for my birthday in a couple of weeks. Thanks!
There's no need to change them even if they did work, unless you just wanted to put your on flavor on it. My sniper from the box is not far off from a friends T2. The stroke stiffness is identical(somewhere between soft and medium strength), but the sniper is slightly louder. Not enough to worry about though. You probably wouldn't even notice it unless you were shooting the 2 side by side. There's also a mild fart during auto-triggering that fades away at a distance(I could hear it when I was using the gun, but when I swapped with a friend, I couldn't hear it from a few feet away.

I'm overly picky about my gear and the only things that I can find wrong with the sniper are:

1. The Feedneck screws and the Stock Class feed tube screws are not the same size head. It takes one allen wrench to take off the feedneck and another to install the tube.

2. The marker plays too small for my taste and I want to put the ASA on a rail or reverse micro drop to slide it back, but because of the unique t-rail system, options are limited if you want to keep the aesthetics clean

Everything else it fantastic. Even down to the o-rings on each piece of the barrel kit.

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Old 08-07-2012, 12:52 AM #9
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I have a lighter pump stroke and feels better.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:30 AM #10
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Got the Sniper last Friday and it does fart quite a bit, lol. Ordered a CCM Main and Valve spring, so time to get fiddling!
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:20 PM #11
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The CCM springs will still fart a little. It has to do with the poppet's stem length. The 11/16th CCM valve should be the solution. I say should, because the tolerances are looser for Empire in their markers than they are for CCM and their markers.
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:54 PM #12
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I installed the CCM valve and hammer spring. The hammer spring needed some spaces and the gun runs great now! Still a little fart, so I'll look at what else I can do. Can increasing the hammer weight also help?
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I just put a madman sear spring in my empire sniper valve. Than i sweet spotted it using the stock hammer spring.
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