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Old 09-02-2012, 07:05 PM #127
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...in that some people can afford nice stuff, and others will only buy the cheapest stuff because they don't want to spend a lot of money playing paintball.

I say do what you want, it's your money... but I really hate the whole "cult of cheapness" ie: the so-called "budget ballers" who hate on people who can afford nicer stuff because they see it as "unnecessary". If I want to spend money on a Z2 instead of a POS Spyder Fasta; or a Luxe instead of a dinosaur Autococker, that's MY CHOICE.
budget ballers get tired of hearing people who own the most expensive guns on the market look at a sub $400 gun and call it cheap and ****, when in fact it works just fine.
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Old 09-02-2012, 07:24 PM #128
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or a Luxe instead of a dinosaur Autococker, that's MY CHOICE.
What's wrong with a dinosaur Cocker? I played with a Pro Stock yesterday....

But to be fair I also played with two Shoebox Shockers, an Automag RT and a ..... Ricochet hopper. Seriously, just the hopper. I didn't check the air in one of the Shoeboxes before the game. Got down to the base, fired a pre-game shot, then as soon as the whistle blew I noticed something was wrong. Had no air. I was sitting behind some metal drums with paintballs hitting all around me trying to figure out what to do(other than calling myself out). First I was going to use the barrel as a blow gun but the mask I had on wouldn't let me. Then I snatched the hopper off the gun and started running around throwing paintballs at the other team. It is pretty freakin hilarious to have people diving away from you when you don't have a marker in your hands. I made it up to their base, was literally laughing while I was keeping their heads down throwing paintballs, and my team snuck up on the other side and picked them off.

The greatest part of it all is I had my glasses camera on, so I got it all on tape. I've been watching the video and laughing all day.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:04 PM #129
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No, just no. How on earth does a marker stomp another marker. In paintball everything about how GOOD a gun is or what makes a gun GOOD is purely subjective and difficult to quantify.
That is completely wrong. It is far more than just subjective. We've compare mid to high ends of the same manufacturer but a far greater disparity can be seen if I compared different companies. Let's say a Spyder Electra vs a BL G6R? Are you really saying that the differences in performance (which is better) is all subjective?
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:27 PM #130
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budget ballers get tired of hearing people who own the most expensive guns on the market look at a sub $400 gun and call it cheap and ****, when in fact it works just fine.
If you had unlimited money, would you buy the same gun? Sure you wouldn't.

I don't **** on sub $400 guns. I think Minis are awesome.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:32 PM #131
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That is completely wrong. It is far more than just subjective. We've compare mid to high ends of the same manufacturer but a far greater disparity can be seen if I compared different companies. Let's say a Spyder Electra vs a BL G6R? Are you really saying that the differences in performance (which is better) is all subjective?
For me, when I'm playing, yes. Radical, but that's what I have experienced. I own many guns but one of the most fun days I've had at the field was mowing down the other team with my friend's T-Boarded Spyder VS2. I'm actually looking to buy one because I loved it so much.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:37 PM #132
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Let's say a Spyder Electra vs a BL G6R? Are you really saying that the differences in performance (which is better) is all subjective?
Depends on what is considered desireable. If your goal is to fire less shots (either due to budget, or just on general principle) a higher rate of fire isn't a desireable trait. If your goal is to make sure you don't "outclass" you friends who play (a very real issue for many, no one wants to be "that guy"), a better performing gun, or even a equally performing but considerably more valuable gun, isn't desireable at all. Or how about customization. The G6R can't be altered hardly at all with out practically reinventing everything you wish to change (can't even add a simple drop onto the thing with out some serious engineering).The spyder can be built without actually buying the complete gun in the first place. When the build is half the fun something that's pretty much finished kind of defeats the purpose.

Now there are better choices out there than an Electra in nearly all of those examples of course.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:46 PM #133
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If you had unlimited money, would you buy the same gun? Sure you wouldn't.
Well, more like wouldn't but "just" the same gun.
The number of less expensive guns I've bought went UP after I bought a high end.
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Ah, but how about sub $300? Sub $200? Sub $100?

With some players there ends up a sort of "threshold of newbness" if you will. A price point where no matter how good a piece of gear is, if it's priced below their threshold there's no way they will believe it.
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With some players there ends up a sort of "threshold of newbness" if you will. A price point where no matter how good a piece of gear is, if it's priced below their threshold there's no way they will believe it.
Those players probable don't know very much about the game then or have not been around for very long. In 2007 all the pro teams were shooting ego 08's (msrp 1,250). Now you can get an 08 ego for less than $400 and they rip.
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If you had unlimited money, would you buy the same gun? Sure you wouldn't.

I don't **** on sub $400 guns. I think Minis are awesome.
But I don't. Nor do you. I have plenty of money just have other things I'd rather spend it on
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:35 AM #136
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:40 AM #138
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For me, when I'm playing, yes. Radical, but that's what I have experienced. I own many guns but one of the most fun days I've had at the field was mowing down the other team with my friend's T-Boarded Spyder VS2. I'm actually looking to buy one because I loved it so much.
Everything you just posted is irrelevant to what you originally said. You originally said that the differences in markers was all subjective. That is completely false. Regardless of what the price is, it is fact that all markers are not created equal and some markers perform far better than others. Such as the 2 markers unused as example. And this is comparing stock vs stock. Not stock vs upgraded.
Now if you have fun with your Spyder that is more than fine. I'm not telling anyone they NEED a higher end marker. I'm just arguing against those saying that there is no difference.


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Depends on what is considered desireable. If your goal is to fire less shots (either due to budget, or just on general principle) a higher rate of fire isn't a desireable trait. If your goal is to make sure you don't "outclass" you friends who play (a very real issue for many, no one wants to be "that guy"), a better performing gun, or even a equally performing but considerably more valuable gun, isn't desireable at all. Or how about customization. The G6R can't be altered hardly at all with out practically reinventing everything you wish to change (can't even add a simple drop onto the thing with out some serious engineering).The spyder can be built without actually buying the complete gun in the first place. When the build is half the fun something that's pretty much finished kind of defeats the purpose.

Now there are better choices out there than an Electra in nearly all of those examples of course.
Not talking about desirable, friends or peers opinions, ability to mod, price or any of that. My topic is performance; Stock vs Stock. Because his comment is that performance differences are all subjective.

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I'd like to add that if you can't buy any item, paintball related or not, that you can afford and desire simply because you fear "outclassing" or alienating your friends, then you don't truly have friends. Real friends want to see each other do, achieve and acquire better.
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But I don't. Nor do you. I have plenty of money just have other things I'd rather spend it on
Fair enough. It's your money.

Just don't raise up buying cheap gear to be some kind of a paintball religion, and it's all good.

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I'd like to add that if you can't buy any item, paintball related or not, that you can afford and desire simply because you fear "outclassing" or alienating your friends, then you don't truly have friends. Real friends want to see each other do, achieve and acquire better.

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My current etek with a OLED performs on the same level as a Luxe if not better.
These are the types of posts that get people all riled up. You might want to add a couple of details, otherwise it just seems like you are talking out of your ***.
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These are the types of posts that get people all riled up. You might want to add a couple of details, otherwise it just seems like you are talking out of your ***.
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You don't need a really expensive gun to compete, a lot of paintball players think you do but then again a lot of paintball players worry more about fashion and how they look then how they actually play. A $400 dollar gun if taken care of will serve you just as well as a $1200 gun.
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You don't need a really expensive gun to compete, a lot of paintball players think you do but then again a lot of paintball players worry more about fashion and how they look then how they actually play. A $400 dollar gun if taken care of will serve you just as well as a $1200 gun.
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You don't need a really expensive gun to compete, a lot of paintball players think you do but then again a lot of paintball players worry more about fashion and how they look then how they actually play. A $400 dollar gun if taken care of will serve you just as well as a $1200 gun.
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My current etek with a OLED performs on the same level as a Luxe if not better.
On what bases? That's like comparing apples and oranges.
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You don't need a really expensive gun to compete, a lot of paintball players think you do but then again a lot of paintball players worry more about fashion and how they look then how they actually play. A $400 dollar gun if taken care of will serve you just as well as a $1200 gun.
So true. So. Incredibly. True! The important thing to remember here, and I have said this time and time again, we are not discussing and debating whether the price difference is worth it. That question can never be answered 100% until a gun comes out that gives 9 cases off a 45/45 fill, zero recoil, sounds like a baby sleeping, has a computer in the board with wi-fi and 4g, a 100 piece bore kit stock, can be easily converted to both mech and pump, and tracks each ball shot to see exactly where it lands and how many kills you got, then can auto calculate where to aim each shot to it goes exactly where the last ball did. Seriously, everyone has different needs and their price point is exactly related so to keep arguing the worth is silly. There is a difference in performance and other aspects but pricing the worth is subjective and can never be definitive.
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