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Old 09-13-2012, 02:27 PM #1
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Bad idea? Good idea? Election manipulation?
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Old 09-13-2012, 03:52 PM #2
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Bad idea? Good idea? Election manipulation?
I'm on the fence on this one. I can see the benefit in terms of adding the near-0 or 0 percent bonds that they can turn around and unload with the promise of higher interest rates starting 2014-15, and at the same time capitalizing the market now. And it was predicited as far back as 2009, so I don't really see it as attempting to manipulate the election per-say. However, the timing really benefits Obama.
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:38 PM #3
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This is where I'd normally post a print more money pick but Corp don't like pics anymore so....

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Old 09-13-2012, 05:15 PM #4
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step in the right direction but not aggressive enough

from the statement:

If the outlook for the labor market does not improve substantially, the Committee will continue its purchases of agency mortgage-backed securities, undertake additional asset purchases, and employ its other policy tools as appropriate until such improvement is achieved in a context of price stability.

If the last bit about price stability were removed this would be much more effective.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:46 PM #5
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step in the right direction but not aggressive enough

from the statement:

If the outlook for the labor market does not improve substantially, the Committee will continue its purchases of agency mortgage-backed securities, undertake additional asset purchases, and employ its other policy tools as appropriate until such improvement is achieved in a context of price stability.

If the last bit about price stability were removed this would be much more effective.
You take issue with measuring labor market improvement by means of price stability?
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:37 PM #6
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This koolaid tastes like inflation!
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:10 PM #7
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The hyper inflation is coming and this time it's for real!
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:16 PM #8
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You take issue with measuring labor market improvement by means of price stability?
ok I'm imagining a phillip's curve, which shows you how increased spending on output (consumption and investment) effects the economy; via increased output and/or inflation.

So because this crisis has lingered for so long I'm a little worried about hystersis, which is cyclical unemployment which has become structural. So while I think most of the increased spending on output will be realized as increased output, I think we might have to tolerate higher inflation levels than the Fed is comfortable with to raise the employment to population ratio back to its pre-crisis state.

So by signaling that this will all be accomplished within the "context of price stability" (which in the past has meant 2% inflation, but its vague) I think we're getting less of a boost than we otherwise would have and need.
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But open ended QE is still a huge step in the right direction.
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Old 09-14-2012, 03:47 AM #11
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Old 09-14-2012, 04:19 AM #12
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But open ended QE is still a huge step in the right direction.
I guess if you're an enemy of America and you wanted it to fail you would be right about that.
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Old 09-14-2012, 04:50 AM #13
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I guess if you're an enemy of America and you wanted it to fail you would be right about that.
Bet your participation in this forum on it.
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Bet your participation in this forum on it.
You won't be able to figure out right away if it fails because in the short term it might give an artificial boost in the economy because they're only printing fake money, only in the long term do you find out that it failed.
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So is it time for me to incorporate, get that business loan, and buy a trailer park?
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:19 AM #17
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printing money to prop up the failing economic policies of this administration will only cause further massive inflation. You think $4.00 gas is bad now...

They can now spend $40,000,000,000.00 a month which they PRINT out of thin air.

This will cause massive inflation, and since oil is tied to the dollar, we will see it first with our fuel costs, and since we now BURN our corn as fuel (government mandate of ethanol in every gallon of gas), it will also affect us at the grocery store.

This is a tax on the middle class. Your dollar will do LESS than it did before this latest "stimulus".


This is further "keynesian" ideology. It fails, and liberals say it works...

We have 4 years of this garbage and we are worse off, but hey, if Obama says it is good, then many will believe him. Especially when the liberal media agrees...

Hard to believe people look at liberals words instead of their own checkbooks.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:19 AM #18
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So is it time for me to incorporate, get that business loan, and buy a trailer park?
If you move here to KS and incorporate, you'll pay an effective 0% income tax as a corporation. Plus, we have the added benefit of regular tornadoes which seem to be unnaturally attracted to trailer parks. Insure yourself proper and you'll be set.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:38 AM #19
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The hyper inflation is coming and this time it's for real!
You should run for the position of jesus of the liberal overlords as you're prophetic.

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printing money to prop up the failing economic policies of this administration will only cause further massive inflation. You think $4.00 gas is bad now...

They can now spend $40,000,000,000.00 a month which they PRINT out of thin air.

This will cause massive inflation, and since oil is tied to the dollar, we will see it first with our fuel costs, and since we now BURN our corn as fuel (government mandate of ethanol in every gallon of gas), it will also affect us at the grocery store.

This is a tax on the middle class. Your dollar will do LESS than it did before this latest "stimulus".


This is further "keynesian" ideology. It fails, and liberals say it works...

We have 4 years of this garbage and we are worse off, but hey, if Obama says it is good, then many will believe him. Especially when the liberal media agrees...

Hard to believe people look at liberals words instead of their own checkbooks.
One of these days you'll have to show me how they print something from air. That's one trick my liberal overlords haven't show me yet.

As for QE3, I predict it'll have much the same effect as the last two, string us along with just enough to avoid the "impending crisis."
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If you move here to KS and incorporate, you'll pay an effective 0% income tax as a corporation. Plus, we have the added benefit of regular tornadoes which seem to be unnaturally attracted to trailer parks. Insure yourself proper and you'll be set.
Well then it is clear that tornados have a conservative bias.........when choosing targets.
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