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Old 07-30-2012, 03:26 PM #1
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2012 vs 2011 demon

Can someone please tell me the difference? Cosmetically and Mechanically so i can verify them when i see them in Bst.

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Old 07-30-2012, 04:02 PM #2
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One of the key features is that it will have "Vanguard" Machined on the feedneck clamp for the 2012.
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Old 07-30-2012, 04:35 PM #3
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:55 AM #4
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Also just an FYI, some of the 2011 Demon Cans are a bit different in size. I have one of the first Demons (technically didn't have a demon serial number) that got released and from what I understand it has a version 1 can. In this case, and this is for my demon, I cannot run a Poly oring in the third slot it has to be a black buna or viton. Doesn't really matter it still shoot perfectly buttery smooth!
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Also just an FYI, some of the 2011 Demon Cans are a bit different in size. I have one of the first Demons (technically didn't have a demon serial number) that got released and from what I understand it has a version 1 can. In this case, and this is for my demon, I cannot run a Poly oring in the third slot it has to be a black buna or viton. Doesn't really matter it still shoot perfectly buttery smooth!
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:46 AM #6
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I was wondering the same thing. I've heard bad things about the 2011 demons. I just got offered one in a trade.. are there any common issues they have? Would it still be worth picking up even though its not a v2?
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Just make sure it has the updated parts - for mine I had the HPR updated, bolt and bolt guide.
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Technically, they all have the same parts. The only ones that had anything different were like the first 75-100 had different drive trains and manifolds. There have been some slight changes here and there, to help with maintenance, but not necessarily performance. I.e. the HPR was changed to include an allen key hole in the bonnet to help ease the disassembly, and the set screw location was moved to the side of the HPR body. The regulator is the same though. Honestly, all the guns work if they're set up right.
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I have demon -93. bought it last December. what do i need to do to get it up to speed? I find myself needing to lube the damn thing every 1200 or so just to keep veocity
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Should be up to speed. What color bolt do you have?
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Also just an FYI, some of the 2011 Demon Cans are a bit different in size. I have one of the first Demons (technically didn't have a demon serial number) that got released and from what I understand it has a version 1 can. In this case, and this is for my demon, I cannot run a Poly oring in the third slot it has to be a black buna or viton. Doesn't really matter it still shoot perfectly buttery smooth!
When I was at VG HQ on Saturday, Martin told me they no longer use Poly's - all the 017 inner can o-rings are now 017 Bunas.
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When I was at VG HQ on Saturday, Martin told me they no longer use Poly's - all the 017 inner can o-rings are now 017 Bunas.
I'm not 100% sure but I think they went back to the older can design since it was more trouble free. Basically built to different specs. The poly orings were used in the later 2011 guns to compensate for a minor size difference in the drive train. They've since reverted back to the older sizes and therefore the poly orings are no longer needed to prevent that issue.

That's how I understand it anyway. That was the only reason for the oring switchover. Different orings have different thicknesses/hardness/materials to compensate for the milling differences.

What does that mean to the gun owners? It means if your gun works fine with buna......use them. If your gun works fine with poly orings.....use them. If you have a previously owned gun and are having problems then I would try both and see which works best. If you are just plain unsure which you need, try them both and see what happens after a decent break in time.
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