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Old 07-25-2012, 06:21 PM #22
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I don't get it? Is it like a hellfire trigger?
nothing like hellfire...because it's legal

i belive the hellfire trigger system uses spring assist which is why it was made illegal later...this is 100% manual, just a free floating stock to make bump firing safter and easier....and more accurate since you can fire from the shoulder
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:37 PM #23
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nothing like hellfire...because it's legal

i belive the hellfire trigger system uses spring assist which is why it was made illegal later...this is 100% manual, just a free floating stock to make bump firing safter and easier
How does the stock reset itself to the pre-firing position?

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and more accurate since you can fire from the shoulder
I guess "more accurate" is a matter of comparison, but the dude's muzzle was all over the place.
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:40 PM #24
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How does the stock reset itself to the pre-firing position?



I guess "more accurate" is a matter of comparison, but the dude's muzzle was all over the place.

the stock resets itself by pushing forward on the vertical grip or handguard


the guy in the first video probably needs more experience with it, then again accuracy is a relative term will full auto fire...which is why most guns made for full auto fire have open bolts and drum type magazines
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:40 PM #25
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forward tension applied by your support hand.
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forward tension applied by your support hand.
Ahh, gotcha. That would take some getting used to.

Would it be safe to say that bump firing/slide stock is to automatic firing what scrambled Cinemax is to porno?
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:04 PM #27
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Ahh, gotcha. That would take some getting used to.

Would it be safe to say that bump firing/slide stock is to automatic firing what scrambled Cinemax is to porno?
i guess but there is no way you can outlaw skill...if that's where you're trying to go

if you have the muscle memory down and good trigger control you can bump fire a stock AR from the shoulder
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Could be paranoia about future regulation.
And now that the president has hinted at supporting a renewal of the Brady Bill, some of that may be justified.



And yes, I think it's safe to assume that when he said "AK47s" he's referring to currently-legal semi-automatic versions of assault rifles, ARs included, if not especially.

Honestly though, what in the world is the president thinking identifying himself with gun control during an election year when he's in a dead heat and there's not even any proposed legislation in Congress anyway? All the gun owners freaked out when he took office and bought up huge supplies of guns and ammo because they thought Obama might support gun control measures, but during his first term he never even approached the issue (not, "above the radar", anyway).

No matter where you stand on the gun control issue, Obama's comments were exceedingly foolish, politically speaking.


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yeah now i need to go pick up a ssak slide fire stock


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEAOkWlQWb8
now you can see why you need 75 rounds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZoRECL--40
How in the hell are these things not FFL-restricted yet?

If the ATF weren't so busy shredding documents about whatever it was they were up to with the FBI on the Arizona boarder maybe they could get these things banned.
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It was a mistake for sure, but what he said was soft enough that it'll only scare the gun nuts who don't vote Democrat anyways.
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Why would I need a Class III tax stamp for a semi-sutomatic rifle?

If that bump firing scares you, I won't tell you that you can accomplish the same thing without that silly stock on just about any semiautomatic rifle or pistol.


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Why would I need a Class III tax stamp for a semi-sutomatic rifle?

If that bump firing scares you, I won't tell you that you can accomplish the same thing without that silly stock on just about any semiautomatic rifle or pistol.
Consistency in enforcement is a good thing.
The laws will never stop people from sawing off shotgun barrels or filing down trigger components, but if makes the gun laws look silly(er than they should look) when the Hellfire mechanism is illegal and these things aren't.

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It was a mistake for sure, but what he said was soft enough that it'll only scare the gun nuts who don't vote Democrat anyways.
Oh, I don't think it lost Obama any votes, but I would imagine a lot of NRA members who might not have bothered to vote now will take the time to do it.

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Old 07-26-2012, 01:25 PM #32
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Oh, I don't think it lost Obama any votes, but I would imagine a lot of NRA members who might not have bothered to vote now will take the time to do it.
Pretty sure the NRA gets pretty good turnout in every election.
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It should be noted that bump firing is a really dumb, though an excellent way to turn $20 into moved dirt and noise.

Also, "filing down" trigger components will not make a reliable fully automatic weapon. There are additional components required to make it work, which requires significant modification to the receiver.
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Consistency in enforcement is a good thing.
The laws will never stop people from sawing off shotgun barrels or filing down trigger components, but if makes the gun laws look silly(er than they should look) when the Hellfire mechanism is illegal and these things aren't.



Oh, I don't think it lost Obama any votes, but I would imagine a lot of NRA members who might not have bothered to vote now will take the time to do it.
So you want Class III tax stamps for all semiautomatic firearms?
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Pretty sure the NRA gets pretty good turnout in every election.
And I'm sure that if Obama keeps kicking gun control hornets nests for no good reason their turnout this November is going to set records.
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So you want Class III tax stamps for all semiautomatic firearms?
Ok, I'll play along.
No, I don't.
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And I'm sure that if Obama keeps kicking gun control hornets nests for no good reason their turnout this November is going to set records.
It's his election to lose and he's going to put a lot of moderates in swing states squarely against him.
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Ok, I'll play along.
No, I don't.
Not trying to douche this out.

You said semiautomatic weapons with bump fire stocks should be class III. I brought up that you don't need the stock to bumpfire. You replied with "consistency of law", so using that I asked (with other words) if your consistency meant all semiautomatic weapons should also be class III since they can all be bump fired regardless of an aftermarket stock.

So where is the consistency? Even with these mechanism, you are still only getting 1 bullet per trigger pull.



PS - Hellfire triggers were still legal in '09, when did it change?
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If the ATF weren't so busy shredding documents about whatever it was they were up to with the FBI on the Arizona boarder maybe they could get these things banned.
The ATF already ruled on it

http://www.slidefire.com/downloads/BATFE.pdf
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Wow.

That's really absurd. Do the laws require that the ATF take Slidefire's disingenuous claims that the stock is intended for use by those with "limited mobility" in their hands at face value?

If nothing else, this is further proof about how poorly our firearms laws are written.
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Wow.

That's really absurd. Do the laws require that the ATF take Slidefire's disingenuous claims that the stock is intended for use by those with "limited mobility" in their hands at face value?

If nothing else, this is further proof about how poorly our firearms laws are written.
no.

and how is it absurd?

now I'm curious, what's your thoughts on high end triggers which allow this?

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The ATF make "rulings" that are as good as law, with no real guidelines. They can also rescind it at any time. See what happened to the akins accelerator. They allowed him to sell his product for a short time, then changed their minds, ruining Bill Akins financially.
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