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Old 08-12-2012, 09:12 PM #1072
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Interesting that it works off vibration instead of eyes - I wonder if there are any markers so smooth that it won't detect a shot? (GT? ) Also, does this mean that if the hopper is full and you are running (which would cause vibration) that it would start spinning up without the marker firing, or does the software stop it from doing this?
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Interesting that it works off vibration instead of eyes - I wonder if there are any markers so smooth that it won't detect a shot? (GT? )
Well the Houston Heat was using them on their Luxes, so I dont think that will be a problem. But you never know.
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Interesting that it works off vibration instead of eyes - I wonder if there are any markers so smooth that it won't detect a shot? (GT? ) Also, does this mean that if the hopper is full and you are running (which would cause vibration) that it would start spinning up without the marker firing, or does the software stop it from doing this?

Same questions I have in mind. What about during a dive there should be enough vibration to trigger the sensor. Unless its some kind of sensor that works of the backpressure coming from the feedneck. Or do they just do a normal index since it wouldnt matter coz it has soft paddles and just make the balls jump. Its all speculation up to this point coz nobody cared to put it out yet.
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Interesting that it works off vibration instead of eyes - I wonder if there are any markers so smooth that it won't detect a shot? (GT? ) Also, does this mean that if the hopper is full and you are running (which would cause vibration) that it would start spinning up without the marker firing, or does the software stop it from doing this?
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Same questions I have in mind. What about during a dive there should be enough vibration to trigger the sensor. Unless its some kind of sensor that works of the backpressure coming from the feedneck. Or do they just do a normal index since it wouldnt matter coz it has soft paddles and just make the balls jump. Its all speculation up to this point coz nobody cared to put it out yet.
- If you guys all remember force feed hoppers like the rotor for example apply force until force is applied back. So if there is a ball in the breech and a vibration told the loader to cycle it will attempt to cycle but because the balls are not moving it will either attempt to anti-jam till it begins cycling or just stop and conserve battery life.


- About a gun being too smooth for it to cycle; well the name of the hopper slipped my mind I think it was a halo or empire B but I remember that the settings can be set so low that the vibration from a person's voice would make it cycle. So with that in mind a few years forward and better tech I highly doubt that is possible.

This loader seems promising I'm just annoyed by two things.
1 - It looks like a boat... I'm sorry it had to be said but I'm not big on aesthetics so I can get over it.

2 - After a 185$ price tag, which is steep, I also have to go drop another 35$ to have a speed feed that I really don't like. (sorry virtue)

Which is why I will wait for all the kinks to be banged out after the 1st gen and hopefully when gen2 comes out KM or Exalt will make a cheaper speedfeed.
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Got to try one of these out at MAO... I have a V3 Rotor now, but picking one of these up... great technology from a great company... even at the price of 215 w/ speed feed attachment is still cheaper then buying a brand new rotor( when they were released) w/ speed feed $235. Cant wait to have one of my own. Great job Virtue!!!!! Oh and i saw more Rotor jams this weekend and not once did i see a Spire jam
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So you liked it eh white? I'm pretty stoaked about the loader, I think I will pick up the 1st gen instead of wait. I really need a new loader to throw on my ego 11 and I'm not crazy enough about my vlo jr to keep using it. So if I don 't get it now I'd pick up a Z2 and not get a spire later.. probably would regret it the whole way.

For the boat comments, I guess I'm on of the only ones that really doesn't think it looks much like a boat. I mean maybe the white one, but the blacke.... for me it looks pretty close to the rotor honestly.
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Oh and i saw more Rotor jams this weekend and not once did i see a Spire jam
Oh because there is an equal number of rotors and spires being used right?

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Oh because there is an equal number of rotors and spires being used right?
Yes the odds are not the same BUT i was just stating an observation. Just like you stated an observation off of my comment. Virtue released a terrific product. I'm sure there are some issues but i am totally pumped to get one of these.
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So.... People still complain about the rotor's price and its been out since 2009. I'd never pay full retail and i probably wont for this if i so choose to buy it.
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Thanks for the tip pro player. I always welcome any info that helps me play. By the way what are Lids? Oh you mean the ones where we actually attach the speedfeeds?

I dont know how the pros play with their sponsored paint and all but I still like to be able to see how much paint is left coz there nothing worse than running out of paint on a middle of the run or picking up paint when its a one on one. Wait those never happen right?
Just an FYI and not to get in the middle of it cause it majes no difference realy but he is a pro player. He played for the new england hurricanes and eclipse distortiin aswell as some other notable teams Im sure. I just thought it was funny cause you said ok pro player sarcasticly and he is acctualy a pro player lol.
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Just an FYI and not to get in the middle of it cause it majes no difference realy but he is a pro player. He played for the new england hurricanes and eclipse distortiin aswell as some other notable teams Im sure. I just thought it was funny cause you said ok pro player sarcasticly and he is acctualy a pro player lol.
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Since you saying Virtue basically slapped Spire on the side of a Rotor and released it doesnt make any sense, I wont bother trying to reason with you since you just seem to have no idea what they both are.
did i say this? gosh I sure dont remember saying it, can you quote it? because I sure can not




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As far as believing everything virtue says, why wouldn't I? Its a hopper. It is designed to put paintballs down a tube and into another tube, its really not that complicated and if they say it works and pros say it work I will take THEIR word as they developed and used it to have a valid opinion unlike you.
If we are just believing what manufactures say why not just believe what SP was selling about LP being more accurate, why not believe tippmann when they say the flatline gives you an extra mile of range? why not believe spyder when they said the rocking trigger was better?

Pros are PAID to tell you things work, even if you want to consider most paintball pros are not paid in cash they are still getting sponsorships and gear for free when was the last time you heard a nascar driver saying "well our goodyear tires did not live up to our expectations" or a football player saying he wished his Nike cleats had better grip on the field? and of course Virtue is only going to give it to people who are going to give it a good review, thats the whole reason they are not just releasing it to let it speak for itself. At this point and until its release the hopper will NOT be in the hands of ANYONE who will give it an accurate review because Virtue is just hyping it and nothing else


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As far as the fact that you keep referring to the V-Maxx and the Torque, get OVER IT. Seriously, how many markers were flops, how many goggles, how many packs, tanks etc. There is gear and products in all areas of paintball that didn't live up the expectation given. Just because this is a loader doesn't it set it to any other standard. Rotors had issues, Prophecys and Vlocitys and Eggs had lots of issues. Virtue is a different company and this is a different product. IF it doesn't work as expected then fine, its what it is, but I highly doubt, considering the level of players they cater to which mostly isn't the "weekend warrior" but all levels of paintball and considering they sponsor mostly pro teams and make boards for a lot of highend markers, I think they would intend to release a product that can work as needed in the game it was designed for.
you do realize that the whole reason Virtue is branching out is because they are loosing money in the boards at this point right? Stock boards have been getting better and better through the years killing off the need for an aftermarket board. It used to be that tourny modes only came on aftermarket boards but as it stands pretty much every marker in the mid range and up comes with all major tourny modes standard

Furthermore, you mentioned virtue sponsors mostly pro teams, ok a question, who sponsors mostly amateur teams? How many news hits would a sponsor get for sponsoring an amateur team vs a pro team? Of course they sponsor pro teams, thats how they get the news out but that doesnt mean that is the only sales they are interested in. Yes you will see a lot of spires in pro tournaments, but how many teams will actually have to pay for them? very close to 0, so yes you see them, but that is not where the money comes from.



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Lastly, why are you so against change? If you dont need a new hopper or want this product wtf are you doing in this thread. If you want to argue about the fact that you hope it doesnt work out and its a pos, fine I guess, but its not productive and your just ASSUMING. Do you know what assuming makes you? Read the first 3 letters because its never good to assume anything in life.

Im not against change, I am against this sort of marketing technique to boost sales. If Virtue really felt the need to live up to their name i really see no reason why they should need to lead players on in believing this thing is going to be the product that changes the game forever rather than just releasing it and letting it speak for itself, I see no reason why their rep should be telling people how to value their own gear and why he should be calling out other products in the industry as under-engineered or too cheap

You also do realize that by blindly believing Virtue on this matter that you are also ASSUMING it will be great right?

Lets look at the facts though

Virtue has said it will be "fast" but does not give any numbers

Virtue has said it will be "efficient" but again, gives no numbers

Virtue has said it holds a "True 200" but if you look close there is a little "TM" trademark logo after that meaning its a name and not a promise of capacity

so in reality they have told everyone very little about this, and no im not saying its going to be terrible but everyone is assuming its going to be great based on nothing

It is a marketing technique that uses the wishful thinking of players against themselves
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If we are just believing what manufactures say why not just believe what SP was selling about LP being more accurate, why not believe tippmann when they say the flatline gives you an extra mile of range? why not believe spyder when they said the rocking trigger was better?

Pros are PAID to tell you things work, even if you want to consider most paintball pros are not paid in cash they are still getting sponsorships and gear for free when was the last time you heard a nascar driver saying "well our goodyear tires did not live up to our expectations" or a football player saying he wished his Nike cleats had better grip on the field? and of course Virtue is only going to give it to people who are going to give it a good review, thats the whole reason they are not just releasing it to let it speak for itself. At this point and until its release the hopper will NOT be in the hands of ANYONE who will give it an accurate review because Virtue is just hyping it and nothing else




you do realize that the whole reason Virtue is branching out is because they are loosing money in the boards at this point right? Stock boards have been getting better and better through the years killing off the need for an aftermarket board. It used to be that tourny modes only came on aftermarket boards but as it stands pretty much every marker in the mid range and up comes with all major tourny modes standard

Furthermore, you mentioned virtue sponsors mostly pro teams, ok a question, who sponsors mostly amateur teams? How many news hits would a sponsor get for sponsoring an amateur team vs a pro team? Of course they sponsor pro teams, thats how they get the news out but that doesnt mean that is the only sales they are interested in. Yes you will see a lot of spires in pro tournaments, but how many teams will actually have to pay for them? very close to 0, so yes you see them, but that is not where the money comes from.






Im not against change, I am against this sort of marketing technique to boost sales. If Virtue really felt the need to live up to their name i really see no reason why they should need to lead players on in believing this thing is going to be the product that changes the game forever rather than just releasing it and letting it speak for itself, I see no reason why their rep should be telling people how to value their own gear and why he should be calling out other products in the industry as under-engineered or too cheap

You also do realize that by blindly believing Virtue on this matter that you are also ASSUMING it will be great right?

Lets look at the facts though

Virtue has said it will be "fast" but does not give any numbers

Virtue has said it will be "efficient" but again, gives no numbers

Virtue has said it holds a "True 200" but if you look close there is a little "TM" trademark logo after that meaning its a name and not a promise of capacity

so in reality they have told everyone very little about this, and no im not saying its going to be terrible but everyone is assuming its going to be great based on nothing

It is a marketing technique that uses the wishful thinking of players against themselves
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If we are just believing what manufactures say why not just believe what SP was selling about LP being more accurate, why not believe tippmann when they say the flatline gives you an extra mile of range? why not believe spyder when they said the rocking trigger was better?

Pros are PAID to tell you things work, even if you want to consider most paintball pros are not paid in cash they are still getting sponsorships and gear for free when was the last time you heard a nascar driver saying "well our goodyear tires did not live up to our expectations" or a football player saying he wished his Nike cleats had better grip on the field? and of course Virtue is only going to give it to people who are going to give it a good review, thats the whole reason they are not just releasing it to let it speak for itself. At this point and until its release the hopper will NOT be in the hands of ANYONE who will give it an accurate review because Virtue is just hyping it and nothing else

you do realize that the whole reason Virtue is branching out is because they are loosing money in the boards at this point right? Stock boards have been getting better and better through the years killing off the need for an aftermarket board. It used to be that tourny modes only came on aftermarket boards but as it stands pretty much every marker in the mid range and up comes with all major tourny modes standard

Furthermore, you mentioned virtue sponsors mostly pro teams, ok a question, who sponsors mostly amateur teams? How many news hits would a sponsor get for sponsoring an amateur team vs a pro team? Of course they sponsor pro teams, thats how they get the news out but that doesnt mean that is the only sales they are interested in. Yes you will see a lot of spires in pro tournaments, but how many teams will actually have to pay for them? very close to 0, so yes you see them, but that is not where the money comes from.

Im not against change, I am against this sort of marketing technique to boost sales. If Virtue really felt the need to live up to their name i really see no reason why they should need to lead players on in believing this thing is going to be the product that changes the game forever rather than just releasing it and letting it speak for itself, I see no reason why their rep should be telling people how to value their own gear and why he should be calling out other products in the industry as under-engineered or too cheap

You also do realize that by blindly believing Virtue on this matter that you are also ASSUMING it will be great right?

Lets look at the facts though

Virtue has said it will be "fast" but does not give any numbers

Virtue has said it will be "efficient" but again, gives no numbers

Virtue has said it holds a "True 200" but if you look close there is a little "TM" trademark logo after that meaning its a name and not a promise of capacity

so in reality they have told everyone very little about this, and no im not saying its going to be terrible but everyone is assuming its going to be great based on nothing

It is a marketing technique that uses the wishful thinking of players against themselves
I wonder what marketing course you took, that told you a product should just be released and speak for itself

Virtue has not said the product will "change the game forever" - where on earth did you get that from?

And honestly, in these youtube and ****** times, do you seriously think a company would say the loader is fast, battery efficient and hold 200 balls..... if it was not true?

They would become a laughing stock pretty quick, if the product did not live up to the hype.

I get the SP and Kingman references.... but that was a different time. - These days, those kinds of claims cannot be made by a manufacturer, without seriously impacting their business negatively, if they do not hold water.

So, how about you chill out, and wait for the product to be tested - before passing judgement? - Otherwise you may look silly in a not too distant future
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