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Old 06-18-2016, 03:05 AM #1
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Has anyone ever made a titanium paintball marker?

I'm thinking of doing a short run of maybe 5 titanium autocockers. By the hours I would never make money on it but I think it would be an interesting project to make for a good paintball gun legend. It would only be a few hundred $$ worth of Grade 5 (6al-4v) TI per gun (coming from billet, of course) but the hours and CAD modeling would be intense. Probably somewhere around 40 hours per each in machining alone if I had to guess. I'm thinking something that looks like a halfblock Karni, some nasty surfacing milling.

I'm the lead multiaxis programmer at a rapid prototyping facility so I'm well aware of the machinability of titanium. I make helicopter turbines, fusion reactors and submarines for a living so this wouldn't be uncharted waters.

In my eyes there's no point in doing it if there are already some titanium guns floating around out there. I'm talking frame and receiver at a minimum, any type of marker. So voided warranty, are there?
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:15 AM #2
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Dear lord would it look awesome. Wonder what the cost would be on one.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:30 AM #3
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Right? There's no way I would use any post machining finishing processes either. Titanium doesn't corrode in a normal environment (over millennia yes, but that doesn't count) and then you would get the beautiful lines of the toolpath in the finished product. Some people might not appreciate that like I do, but it would more or less be like faint engraving which captured the flowlines of the curvatures. It kills me inside when my work gets anodized or blasted for customer requirements.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:34 AM #4
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As for cost I don't know. If it were 40 hours per each my hourly rate is $100/hr so $4,000 labor and say $400 in TI, plus tooling costs which would be at least equal to materials but probably double. Works out to about $5,000. But since it would be a G job I wouldn't be charging myself my hourly rate so maybe less. Idk like I said there's no way I could make money on it but if I could break even and no one's done it, it would be unique gift to the sport. Haha although certainly I wouldn't be giving them away.
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Old 06-18-2016, 04:19 PM #5
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To the best of my knowledge. There is not any titanium markers. However, there's always those few private label special run guns that I may be forgetting.

If the milling is done right, these would be legendary.
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Old 06-19-2016, 02:17 PM #6
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Dye did

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Old 06-19-2016, 07:45 PM #7
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well I stand corrected... but I was really hoping there wasn't one so we could see a Ti cocker
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I have some titanium from the sr71 bLackbird spy planes exhaust nozels but you prob wouldn't have the tooling to machine it but it would be a cool project gun and you coul do a stealth theme from what I understand they had to make the tooling specially for the metal
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Old 06-19-2016, 08:13 PM #9
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They only made 4 and those at ethe only titanium guns that I know of so a titanium cocker would still be a first.
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an old friend of mine here in NorCal had a small run of titanium cocker blanks made up years and years ago, I believe it was only 5. They were never finished due to the cost of machining and the titanium breaking the bits. This was the story I got years ago, I believe the unfinished bodies still exist somewhere, but I doubt they will ever see the light of day again.

So yes...I think it has been tried, but never fully succeeded. Titanium can definitely be a ***** to work with...
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Old 06-20-2016, 06:28 AM #11
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Yeah, the fact the DYE actually made fully functional guns out of it is pretty awesome. I would also give my left nut for one of those titanium autococker blanks lol.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:13 AM #12
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As for cost I don't know. If it were 40 hours per each my hourly rate is $100/hr so $4,000 labor and say $400 in TI, plus tooling costs which would be at least equal to materials but probably double. Works out to about $5,000. But since it would be a G job I wouldn't be charging myself my hourly rate so maybe less. Idk like I said there's no way I could make money on it but if I could break even and no one's done it, it would be unique gift to the sport. Haha although certainly I wouldn't be giving them away.
You pretty much answered your own question there... Not enough money in paintball hell even dye doesn't do their own bodies machining in house. They machine prototypes and some one off buts that it and that's for internal testing only.
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I can see doing it for a personal gun...but it sure ain't gonna make you any money.
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:01 PM #14
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I always wanted a TI barrel. For the sparks.
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:37 PM #15
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I was never concerned with money but I was unaware dye had made a TI matrix. Since it wouldn't be unique anymore I don't think I'll go through the trouble.
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ther was a run f titanium cockers done in I think 99 to 2003 time line, I can't remember the builder, but I think they did them as team guns.

I am pretty sure it wasn't Ken at KPcustoms, but I could be wrong with the who.

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I remember those titanium dms that dye did. The real downside is amy gun out of ti is going to be pretty damn heavy in comparison.

Now if you go magnesium instead it will be cheaper, easier to machine, and unique because I dont believe anyone has done a rum of guns out of machined billet mag, only casted mag bodies.
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I remember those titanium dms that dye did. The real downside is amy gun out of ti is going to be pretty damn heavy in comparison.

Now if you go magnesium instead it will be cheaper, easier to machine, and unique because I dont believe anyone has done a rum of guns out of machined billet mag, only casted mag bodies.
Magnesium would cost so much..

12 X 12 X 3 is around $2,000
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Magnesium would cost so much..

12 X 12 X 3 is around $2,000
Yet smart parts had the epiphany with a magnesium alloy body <$300.
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Yet smart parts had the epiphany with a magnesium alloy body <$300.
Forgetting a few things here.. Come on now your I seen mechanical knowledge you know your stuff

Smart Part was huge at that time... meaning buying in bulk, tooling for a casting or forging would drove the price down.. Plus, you don't where the material even came from and I'm sure it was cheapest bulk for XXX amount.

Epiphany wasn't a one off project for agg points.
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Magnesium would cost so much..

12 X 12 X 3 is around $2,000
What the hell does he need a 12x12x3" piece of plate for.

It is like $250 a foot for 3" round bar of magnesium from Hadco. Which is enough to mill a cocker body from. Never had pricing on their square stock but it is probably not to much different in pricing. Which that same thing costs about $600 a foot in grade 5 titanium.

It's also easier on tooling so your tooling cost is down for it to. I need to machine both into tension and torsion samples for our classes, we go through a bunch of it every semester.


Also I'm pretty sure those epiphany bodis were casted which makes them even cheaper
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