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Old 07-13-2012, 06:29 AM #1
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Machine paintball hopper.

Anyone have any information on the new hopper from machine paintball or any pics possibly?
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:50 AM #2
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Wouldn't doubt it if they keep this close to the chest until a few weeks before the release. They experienced a lot of trolling when they announced the vapor early and didn't have a product to show for several months.

A smart move in my opinion. I can appreciate taking the extra time to develop a product that has all the bugs worked out in advance.

I'm sure the Palm Beach Vipers will get them first to do a final smash test, once they get them i'm sure some sneak peaks will start popping up online.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:08 PM #3
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i have a feeling it may go the same route as Angel Eyes...Hyped up and then fail to come out...
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:11 PM #4
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i have a feeling it may go the same route as Angel Eyes...Hyped up and then fail to come out...
No way. That would be a kiss of death for the company. They have to much invested to willing kill the company off.

WDP was the top of the market for so long that they thought they couldn't be touched. It took Bob Long and Smart Parts (and eventually Dye) to knock them off their pedestal before they realized they actually needed to innovate in order to stay competitive.

By the time the A4 finally came out, all their loyal teams had switched to something else.

Machine is coming into a stacked field and has to keep innovating. To me it seems like they are. The marker is solid. Barrel kit is solid. High hopes for the Loader, but expect it to be solid even it doesn't meet everyone's hyped up expectations.

In order to be a long term viable option, which any company wants, they had to come in pound for pound against DLX, DYE, MacDev, Planet Eclipse, and BLAST.

Would everyone like for them to make a less expensive gear, yeah. But everyone would like for TESLA to make a 30k all electric vehicle too. They will get there, but they had to come out swinging with their high end gear to get the attention.
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Old 07-14-2012, 11:24 PM #5
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No way. That would be a kiss of death for the company. They have to much invested to willing kill the company off.

WDP was the top of the market for so long that they thought they couldn't be touched. It took Bob Long and Smart Parts (and eventually Dye) to knock them off their pedestal before they realized they actually needed to innovate in order to stay competitive.

By the time the A4 finally came out, all their loyal teams had switched to something else.

Machine is coming into a stacked field and has to keep innovating. To me it seems like they are. The marker is solid. Barrel kit is solid. High hopes for the Loader, but expect it to be solid even it doesn't meet everyone's hyped up expectations.

In order to be a long term viable option, which any company wants, they had to come in pound for pound against DLX, DYE, MacDev, Planet Eclipse, and BLAST.

Would everyone like for them to make a less expensive gear, yeah. But everyone would like for TESLA to make a 30k all electric vehicle too. They will get there, but they had to come out swinging with their high end gear to get the attention.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:34 AM #6
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i have a feeling it may go the same route as Angel Eyes...Hyped up and then fail to come out...
That sucked because I actually saw prototype angel eyes all the way back in 2004 and I cant believe it still never came out.
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:28 PM #7
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i have a feeling it may go the same route as Angel Eyes...Hyped up and then fail to come out...
i accualy think this hopper will be up there with the rotor and the spire and the z2. apparently the vp of dye who designed the rotor left dye and works for machine now. It was suposed to be released by now, but they are working out final things for it
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thats what we got so far
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What a surprise looks just like another existing product, seems like everything machine makes is already been done
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:28 AM #10
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What a surprise looks just like another existing product, seems like everything machine makes HAS already been done
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No way. That would be a kiss of death for the company. They have to much invested to willing kill the company off.

WDP was the top of the market for so long that they thought they couldn't be touched. It took Bob Long and Smart Parts (and eventually Dye) to knock them off their pedestal before they realized they actually needed to innovate in order to stay competitive.

By the time the A4 finally came out, all their loyal teams had switched to something else.

Machine is coming into a stacked field and has to keep innovating. To me it seems like they are. The marker is solid. Barrel kit is solid. High hopes for the Loader, but expect it to be solid even it doesn't meet everyone's hyped up expectations.

In order to be a long term viable option, which any company wants, they had to come in pound for pound against DLX, DYE, MacDev, Planet Eclipse, and BLAST.

Would everyone like for them to make a less expensive gear, yeah. But everyone would like for TESLA to make a 30k all electric vehicle too. They will get there, but they had to come out swinging with their high end gear to get the attention.
What exactly is innovative?

A hopper years after it was promised?
A marker who's track record is awful?

Look I know this is a little hate in it, but the proof is not the release it is the performance. Because of prior issues, it might be hard for Machine to get people to trust them again.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:34 PM #12
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What exactly is innovative?

A hopper years after it was promised?
A marker who's track record is awful?

Look I know this is a little hate in it, but the proof is not the release it is the performance. Because of prior issues, it might be hard for Machine to get people to trust them again.
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You are right, nothing for the hopper they have shown shows to be innovative. But then again they released an image and description. The drive is what makes any marker innovative. Until that image gets released, it is just another hopper.

No denying they are late to the party, considering you quoted me from a post over a year ago. But as someone who doesn't really like the hoppers currently on the market, I'll give anything a shot. But I'm not about blind faith.
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Little hate sensed...

You are right, nothing for the hopper they have shown shows to be innovative. But then again they released an image and description. The drive is what makes any marker innovative. Until that image gets released, it is just another hopper.

No denying they are late to the party, considering you quoted me from a post over a year ago. But as someone who doesn't really like the hoppers currently on the market, I'll give anything a shot. But I'm not about blind faith.
A bit rough I guess. More skeptical than anything.
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if they do release it id love to try it.. my only worry is that they have so much put into it and that might make for a pretty high pricetag
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if they do release it id love to try it.. my only worry is that they have so much put into it and that might make for a pretty high pricetag
Wouldnt be any worse than the Pulse.
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if they do release it id love to try it.. my only worry is that they have so much put into it and that might make for a pretty high pricetag
A company should not increase the price of a product if they run into snags and have to extend their engineering phase. Price is based off of parts + labor + overhead. The overhead (which is supposed to cover initial engineering) is usually a set percentage of the parts and labor.

If they increased the price due to engineering then they would not hit a price point to be competitive with their competition. The hope is that the product sells well and you make up for the extending engineering over time.
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