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Old 01-19-2012, 08:54 PM #106
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Do you plan on giving the format a try?
There are very, very, very few format ideas that come up that I have not heard of, thought of, or considered before. You can go back to usenet and find a couple format discussions similar to this back in 2000-2001.

Lots of people come up with "new" format ideas all the time. I'm with Nick Brockdorf - most of them don't make enough of a difference to worry about. Timed matches vs. best of /set number of games is significantly different, and it appears timed matches has won (even NPPL doesn't like 7-man anymore). Any other significant change involves SIGNIFICANT change, and this change isn't significant.

Any focus I would put on new formats would be on limited paint.


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Old 01-19-2012, 09:19 PM #107
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For paintball to take a step in the right direction, there is only one solution...one pro league. PERIOD.
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Old 01-20-2012, 08:16 AM #109
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For paintball to take a step in the right direction, there is only one solution...one pro league. PERIOD.
i do agree it is difficult to get non-players to learn or understand the game with multiple leagues/various rules. this 'regional' idea though seems easy to follow and could perhaps inspire some hometown pride provided their team wins some big events.

i think it's good that new things are being tried
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It would be easy (kind of) to follow the flag.... as for the rest of the game, it would still be just as boring to watch for non-paintballers, as any other format.

People have to come to terms with the fact, that paintball is such a technical and tactical sport, that it requires personal (often tournament) experience to appreciate the game, be that as a televised sport, or as a spectator.... because, irrespective of the format, 95 % of the time, you just see some guys sitting there pulling a trigger, without being able to understand and appreciate the finer points of the game.

Paintball is boring to watch to non-players, and no amount of format tinkering will change that - wish it wasn't so.... but it's the reality, no matter how much we all wish it was different.

It's just like sailing is totally boring to watch for most people (except for the last 30 seconds of a close match race), that have so sailing experience.

Just like dressage is just as exiting to watch for a layperson, as watching paint dry (no pun intended).

Just like fencing (the closest we get to a sister sport), is impossible to follow and get into, if you have not fenced.

I understand and appreciate all the positivity and hope, every time some new format rears its initially beautiful head.... but people are thinking with their hearts, instead of their heads.
I absoloutely agree with you good sir. I have long subscribed to the unpopular belief (amongst players anyways) that paintball is a terrible example of a spectator sport.

I like to compare it to motocross: While tv does help make the progress of a match easier to follow, if you're at the actual event the darn things are maddening! Lol
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..it appears timed matches has won (even NPPL doesn't like 7-man anymore).


Any focus I would put on new formats would be on limited paint.
Thanks for the input.. Last I checked we are all 7 man for our upper divisions. Sorry we got your panty's in a bundle by trying to steal a bigger peice of the five man pie. If your refering to going to a 'best of' style match, we always have this in finals and now it's in prelims too. Most the players and the league want a cleaner point system with win/loss of some sort. We may not agree %100 with the psp on rules but we have been testing out a 'raceto' style for a LONG time.

limited paint is an interesting topic though for this league or others. most games you see that run low on paint do get boring but if you just put like a 1 min cap on games (doesnt matter if they tie most points, the beginning/end of game is all people want to see anyways) and limit the paint of the team down so they cant really just sit and lane the whole game (definitively THE most boring thing to see in pb.. although one of the most fun parts it really doesn't give us an athletic look to others, makes it more of a shooting 'game' than an athletic sport.)

the hard part is making a sport that is more fast paced and athletic without destroying our 'hanging by a thread' industry

requireing less paint to play 'big leage ball' is a great step towards local teams being able to afford more practice (imagine if teams could play a couple nights a week maybe even three.)
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i'm still up on the fence about the format. but here is my problem. If I want to play and I go out to one of these "combine"'s to tryout, is it going to be held against me that I won't pick up a semi marker? I play pump. Always have and always will. I hold my own with one and if i showcase that talent, will I not be selected only because of what I shoot? Also because of what I shoot, I'm not going to need anywhere NEAR the amount of paint, yet a "minimum" is required to be bought? screw that. I feel that the people who are really putting this together need to answer several questions, many of which have been asked on this thread already. i've spent the last 15 minutes or so reading through this thread, and for the most part feel everyone has reasonable concerns. so i guess my final .02 is that if it works, and it gives more exposure to us as a whole, HOORAY! if it fails and we continue on the path we are on, then so be it. there will still be paintball.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:24 PM #113
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i'm still up on the fence about the format. but here is my problem. If I want to play and I go out to one of these "combine"'s to tryout, is it going to be held against me that I won't pick up a semi marker? I play pump. Always have and always will. I hold my own with one and if i showcase that talent, will I not be selected only because of what I shoot? Also because of what I shoot, I'm not going to need anywhere NEAR the amount of paint, yet a "minimum" is required to be bought? screw that. I feel that the people who are really putting this together need to answer several questions, many of which have been asked on this thread already. i've spent the last 15 minutes or so reading through this thread, and for the most part feel everyone has reasonable concerns. so i guess my final .02 is that if it works, and it gives more exposure to us as a whole, HOORAY! if it fails and we continue on the path we are on, then so be it. there will still be paintball.
I play this with a pump! You can totally play this and dominate, just like in anything else! In fact I think pump does better, the game play is so fast that the semi guys are looking more for the incoming stream of paint.

I get more eliminations on the one shot, and cutting down the angles while running down field than ever before!

I think its really cool to have three of the team coaches asking me to be one of their three picks they get before the draft starts!

I am waiting for the combine myself for the selfish a reason.....I cant pick which team I want to be on! I will just leave it up to fate....All these guys are great coaches, and great guys! I simply cant make a decision right now!

Just play your game, play smart, and go for it!!!!

There is a team from the home league that is all pump from what I hear, and they do very well!!!!
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Any focus I would put on new formats would be on limited paint.
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. It doesnt matter what you set the paint limit / cap either as long as a rule is put in place that makes the teams start the game on a even playing field.

no other hobby/sport promotes teams to compete on uneven terms.
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:24 PM #115
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From what I've read in the rules the format sounds like it might be a fun way to play once in a while. But I'm not sure I would be interested in playing a tournament that way.
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I play this with a pump! You can totally play this and dominate, just like in anything else! In fact I think pump does better, the game play is so fast that the semi guys are looking more for the incoming stream of paint.

I get more eliminations on the one shot, and cutting down the angles while running down field than ever before!

I think its really cool to have three of the team coaches asking me to be one of their three picks they get before the draft starts!

I am waiting for the combine myself for the selfish a reason.....I cant pick which team I want to be on! I will just leave it up to fate....All these guys are great coaches, and great guys! I simply cant make a decision right now!

Just play your game, play smart, and go for it!!!!

There is a team from the home league that is all pump from what I hear, and they do very well!!!!
i understand you can play pump in it. I just hope that most teams will still consider a player even if he is shooting a pump
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:53 PM #118
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. It doesnt matter what you set the paint limit / cap either as long as a rule is put in place that makes the teams start the game on a even playing field.
In terms of the immediate competitive needs, it doesn't matter.

In terms of teams not going broke, it absolutely matters.


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Ill throw in my two cents worth. The think that i like about this format, is that it keeps alot of the money at the hometown field. Yea it has things that still need to be ironed out, but overall, I see alot of potential if this style gets up and running.
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Play pump how Kenny plays pump, and yes, teams will definitely consider you

i will go ahead and play pump like... I play pump just messing man
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This is a crazy idea, they went the whole time and scored 1 point.
This.

I can appreciate what you are trying to do, but the format is all wrong.



You're now using 4 players on field dimensions for 7 man, and going 5+ rounds without either team scoring a single point. While this could be potentially more affordable for local teams, I think the format alone would make mainstream media stay far away, it's simply not fun for the spectators.

I can appreciate it, but I would take a little more time and really refine the game play and regulations on an individual basis from both an insiders and outsiders perspective.
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You're now using 4 players on field dimensions for 7 man, and going 5+ rounds without either team scoring a single point.
I watched the video on their website and the field looked more like a 3-man field. Was that not an actual-sized field that they plan on using for this format?
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In terms of the immediate competitive needs, it doesn't matter.

In terms of teams not going broke, it absolutely matters.
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I disagree. Why do we get so much *****ing and whinning in paintball? its because the rules allow teams to start the game with a advantage over other teams *money*

this creates doupt and a mindset that the player/players got beat by money and not skill in the game. This makes people complain...and in the end quit

Creating strict rules and guidlines that all players rich or poor / d4 to pro can follow is top priority.

How many players have gone into tournments asking how much paint will we shoot? will we need to buy more paint if we get into the finals? This is unacceptable. Every player playing in the tournment should be on even playing terms after paying entry. Skill wins tournments.

Teams that dont have money (the young blood that grows the sport) are going broke and the rich team's are going pro. Even worse some leagues *CXBL* i Know (im sure the PSP and NPPL do it too) relize this. They sponsor teams and give them a free number of cases per match. The other team has to spend the money just to keep pace with the other. BuyPBL a paintball store runs the CXBL/AXBL. A paintball store is in the buisness of making money not making the game better for the players. It is a conflict of intrest. Its not difficult to see.

.... is this competition or is it a scam you decide.
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I watched the video on their website and the field looked more like a 3-man field. Was that not an actual-sized field that they plan on using for this format?
The video before that said the field dimesions were to be 100ft by 180, which, correct me if I'm wrong, is current NPPL size. But that field also looked small to me, although we couldn't see much of the red zone.
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