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Old 01-23-2012, 10:05 PM #316
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its a ton of fun

i played it, was exhausted by the end of the day
played 45 or something games in 4.5 hours... it was crazy!
i played pump all day, scored a few points, it was awesome

now..... i understand the uproar about the uniforms, i understand its CHANGE
the other red flag i had was the draft (i have a young guns program i would like to keep together)

i dont think i will be playing NPL this year, i cant afford the gas to the nearest NPL field (2+ hours)

the format is different
the offense/defense is a whole new concept
the games last 2 minutes MAX
the format is great


dont bash until you try
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:11 PM #317
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its a ton of fun

i played it, was exhausted by the end of the day
played 45 or something games in 4.5 hours... it was crazy!
i played pump all day, scored a few points, it was awesome

now..... i understand the uproar about the uniforms, i understand its CHANGE
the other red flag i had was the draft (i have a young guns program i would like to keep together)

i dont think i will be playing NPL this year, i cant afford the gas to the nearest NPL field (2+ hours)

the format is different
the offense/defense is a whole new concept
the games last 2 minutes MAX
the format is great

dont bash until you try
Thank you for the positive words!


Can we PLEASE get this back on topic?
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:13 PM #318
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Thank you for the positive words!


Can we PLEASE get this back on topic? ROF caps, paint consumption and ramping vs semi is fascinating but is a touch unrelated.
ROF.... semi
paint.... i used the normal amount, about a 2/3 of a case with a pump (i shoot alot)

ramping is useless.....
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:14 PM #319
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ROF.... semi
paint.... i used the normal amount, about a 2/3 of a case with a pump (i shoot alot)

ramping is useless.....
I know that lol I've played it as well. I was referring to the pages of debating in this thread.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:25 PM #320
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why cant we just have old xball again?
dont get me wrong it seems like a interesting format but I believe a lot of the players out there would love to see penalty boxes and the old format to come back...but obviously with this economy it wont
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:26 PM #321
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the time has come

I have been playing this format for almost a year now and seen its development. This is an amazing format that encourages players from every level to adapt and learn. The tempo is extremely high.

I have never seen a "standard-format" paintball tournament that had spectators on their feet screaming their heads off throughout the entire match. Normally, when a players parents or friends come to watch them play, they sit on the sideline through the match and wait until the player comes off the field to ask him what happened and who won. The NPL format is so simple for spectators to understand and exciting to watch that when this league takes off it will be getting into the mainstream sports world.

I hope you all turn out for your local combines.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:57 PM #322
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I have never seen a "standard-format" paintball tournament that had spectators on their feet screaming their heads off throughout the entire match.
You've never seen an x-ball or 5-man tournament before?
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:00 AM #323
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i have had the pleasure of seeing and playing in both. and, not to dig on them, neither comes close to the energy i have felt from the crowds at an NPL format match.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:09 AM #324
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i have had the pleasure of seeing and playing in both. and, not to dig on them, neither comes close to the energy i have felt from the crowds at an NPL format match.
So what's the difference between the entire sideline yelling at a PSP event and the entire sideline yelling at an NPL event?

Not going to lie, I'm not a huge fan of sports that go for a really long time without any points being scored.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:30 AM #325
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Not going to lie, I'm not a huge fan of sports that go for a really long time without any points being scored.
Agreed. It does get a little boring when nothing happens but when it's gridlocked like that, it makes the points that are scored that much more valuable and exciting. The 'gridlock' I'm referring to doesn't happen too frequently. Plays get stalemated and the clock just winds down. Most of the games that I have played have roughly a 30% scoring rate.
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:03 AM #327
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Correct me if I am wrong here Chris?
We are limited paint at the high school level. It's more important there, but I'm hoping in a couple years I'll have a crop of players who understand limited-paint formats and we'll be able to switch at the NCPA as well.

My players are always confronting costs as an issue, and other than travel to nationals, 75% of their costs are paint. There's really no where else the cost issue can be addressed.

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Old 01-24-2012, 01:05 AM #328
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the difference is that there is a focal point for the fans to watch. in standard format a "5 min game" fans get to see one breakout and the match can last ~12 min if the refs dont call it and then the fans are just watching two or three guys sit in the same bunkers hoping that one of the 3000 paintballs they shoot at the same spot will hit its mark. NPL format each possession starts with a breakout and each possession can only last 2min 15sec. so the action never dies down it starts over and over again. No lag, no waiting, no downtime.
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I never said it was a skill, but that is probably because I was always a slow trigger personally
Right, and you also never said semi-auto was a reasonable rule for competitive play.

I was using the definition of semi-auto that fits with that argument - that "semi-auto is better because it adds skill", which is a pile of crap if you allow electronic guns.

If we're just talking settings on the gun you're playing with, I'm perfectly content to say "semi-auto" even if there are some shots being added; I don't even set my gun to PSP ramp anymore, I set it to bouncy semi-auto with a ROF cap. Still gets me up to 12.5 when needed and I get a lot more control on paint going out.

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and chris, I know you will never agree, you know it is a skill and harder to shoot 15 while doing atheletic things or off handed. you know you cant shoot 15 lefty running and gunning while loading. you cant. ever.
Sure I can.

Can't do it with my mag or my autococker, and certainly not my splatmasters (although I can shoot over 200 bps with them if I use both at the same time for 2 balls), but I can do it with virtually any electronic paintball gun available.


Again, I ask, if "semi-auto" is a skill, and it can be enforced, why is there a 15 bps cap?


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Old 01-24-2012, 04:23 AM #333
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Sure I can.

Can't do it with my mag or my autococker, and certainly not my splatmasters (although I can shoot over 200 bps with them if I use both at the same time for 2 balls), but I can do it with virtually any electronic paintball gun available.


Again, I ask, if "semi-auto" is a skill, and it can be enforced, why is there a 15 bps cap?


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The same 12 bps a that is bouncing up to 15 consistant would translate to a lot more bps with no cap. Over 15 the people who are cheating get a 8 + bps increase, sure, they get caught but no one should ever be shooting almost double. At 15 I never see a problem. I play 10 7 man events a year and it just isn't a problem. Some get caught for going to crazy but I guess our definition of 'semi' won't ever be the same

And I was saying with a semi gun you can't just be ripping 15 and sliding into a corner, or other impossible feats that ramping allows. If you add enough bounce it won't get you through a day of play in nppl

How did shecki say it? He likes ramping but people shouldn't be able to pull 12.5 with mittens on.

However maybe offhanded sliding running whatever,maybe you can roll a gun 15 all day. It would be impressive and a skill to do this with a legal amount of bounce

What about an 8 bps kick in for ramp start settings? It's a minor change that would attract semi players. Honestly 12.5 cap seems so low it would be easy to enforce a semi rule. Who even cares if they are bouncing 3 bps, its better than ramping from like 3 bps
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Who cares? EVERYONE CARES. 3bps is an unfair advantage no matter how you look at it. Someone will have the edge. How can you not see this? Ramping puts everyone on the same page.

Unfortunately, policing semi at this point in time is not feasible. It requires additional resources and it does not effectively put everyone on the same page. Ramping probably isn't ideal, but it's more of a "Can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude. It's the best way to accomplish what it is that we need in tournament paintball.
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