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Old 01-23-2012, 07:17 PM #253
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Please don't put an extreme limit on the NCPA. As hard as it is to afford traveling and playing while in college, changing the game this quickly is not the way.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:46 PM #254
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Once we get to that point, we can start to compare ourselves to other sports.... meanwhile, what we really are, is a little corner of war enacters, that have evolved into a sport, while leaving the rest of the enacters behind.... still playing war or star trek, or whatever, at their local scenario based field.
No body is being left behind. It's a choice. People tend to choose what they feel has more value for them (value in this case being defined as cost versus fun or entertainment). If you are suggesting that recreational fields change over and offer competitive type play to everyone, with no option for recreational scenario play, then yes, tournament play would increase greatly. Paintball participation overall would probably not increase though and would most likely decrease immensely.

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The only way to create a unified format, that will also allow entry level players to purchase gear at an affordable price, and still compete, and not struggle for money for paint, is a severely limited ROF..... at least that is my oppinion
Your opinion is noted, but I think limited paint also meets your criteria.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:08 PM #255
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:14 PM #256
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Btw, what makes me "fancy"?
Your high average number of smiley faces used in each of your posts
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:34 PM #257
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Didn't know that was "fancy" - I rather thought it helped convey the tone of a written message, that might otherwise be construed as confrontational.
I think we have a different definition of fancy haha.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:50 PM #258
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People are left behind, because they are not exposed to the tournament style game, and in many areas, have no access to it.

So, we a missing a lot of potential converts, who have no idea paintball can be a real sport... or even if they do, have no access to playing it.

I am not advocating choosing one over the other, that choice is personal, and I have the greatest respect for those that prefer scenario style game.

However, the sport of paintball, is missing new recruits daily, because our current style of game, is not viable for most field owners, in most markets.
OK, I'll agree with that. And honestly, being a field owner who has chosen to concentrate solely on recreational wood/scenario type play, I would most likely have continued offering competitive type play (was starting to get into it our first year in business) if competitive play, at least at the lower levels, was a little more mellow and more affordable for players. But I could see that competitive paintball was a poor business model as its customer base were people who were being required to spend all their income on paintball, making them impoverished. Poor customers are rarely great customers, from a business perspective. That and the combination of having a bunch of barnyard cocks strutting around, thinking they were going to be the next pro, was not what I envisioned a going concern paintball business to be.
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:37 PM #259
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if you want to talk low paint consumption business... ask horizon how he modeled his place. more family fun and at the lower level, guess what..? keeps them coming back at a suprising cost per bag. they pay roughly the same to shoot 500 paintballs and have more fun in a .. forgive me.. A-hole free atmosphere.

if we had limited paint people that can shoot fast or use ramping would be seen as 'un-cool' for using 5+pods a game. the pros only play hopper ball, why do you need 5 pods to win? its like when ramping first came out, you were a cheater. Or when they started using semi guns? not needed, everyone *****ed.

actually any change in anything? everyone *****ed.. true story

this was the ONE point that pbdude or whatever had. its a 'top down' sorta thing. whatever the pros do is what the d3 to d1 teams are practicing. these are the home town hero's, the rec players and local teams follow them and want to be like them (and the pro's). then every one at the field is shooting 12.5 because its the 'new' thing.. not only does it turn away new customers it creates a gap into tourney paintball. why have a gap? why make it difficult?

and chris, I know you will never agree, you know it is a skill and harder to shoot 15 while doing atheletic things or off handed. you know you cant shoot 15 lefty running and gunning while loading. you cant. ever. in psp you can, not in my league.

I atleast can see the down fall in semi, I understand your side, you however cannot understand that other peoples opinion is where the money is at.

one thing we agree on is that 'semi' or ramping, it wont matter with only a hopper full of paint.
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:47 PM #260
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I would prefer semi since it is much more difficult to do. It is more difficult chris. it is. more difficult. semi. harder than ramping. not as easy. it is easier to pull the trigger 1x a second than at least over 10 to get to our cap. its more difficult while loading, running, diving, sliding... when is the last time you saw a pro serve tea? go to nppl, you will see it because not everyone can shoot semi. it is a skill. call it capped semi ramping, I dont care what you call it, it's more difficult all day every day.
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first get rid of the draft unless you can afford it for the whole year to travel second if you do a combine do it regional and break it down to where you have midwest, south , southeast, south west , rockies etc then make two cofnerences
The draft is within your region only. Trades can go down between regions, as long as there is reasonable incentive for the player. As for the regions, they are kind of split up like that already. Remember, this is the inaugural season, things will change in the coming years.
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:54 PM #261
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if you want to talk low paint consumption business... ask horizon how he modeled his place. more family fun and at the lower level, guess what..? keeps them coming back at a suprising cost per bag. they pay roughly the same to shoot 500 paintballs and have more fun in a .. forgive me.. A-hole free atmosphere.
From what I understand, they usually don't even shoot a full 500 paintballs. Definitely a good business plan he has going, but it's only at the recreational level.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:05 PM #262
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its a ton of fun

i played it, was exhausted by the end of the day
played 45 or something games in 4.5 hours... it was crazy!
i played pump all day, scored a few points, it was awesome

now..... i understand the uproar about the uniforms, i understand its CHANGE
the other red flag i had was the draft (i have a young guns program i would like to keep together)

i dont think i will be playing NPL this year, i cant afford the gas to the nearest NPL field (2+ hours)

the format is different
the offense/defense is a whole new concept
the games last 2 minutes MAX
the format is great


dont bash until you try
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:11 PM #263
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its a ton of fun

i played it, was exhausted by the end of the day
played 45 or something games in 4.5 hours... it was crazy!
i played pump all day, scored a few points, it was awesome

now..... i understand the uproar about the uniforms, i understand its CHANGE
the other red flag i had was the draft (i have a young guns program i would like to keep together)

i dont think i will be playing NPL this year, i cant afford the gas to the nearest NPL field (2+ hours)

the format is different
the offense/defense is a whole new concept
the games last 2 minutes MAX
the format is great

dont bash until you try
Thank you for the positive words!


Can we PLEASE get this back on topic?
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:13 PM #264
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Thank you for the positive words!


Can we PLEASE get this back on topic? ROF caps, paint consumption and ramping vs semi is fascinating but is a touch unrelated.
ROF.... semi
paint.... i used the normal amount, about a 2/3 of a case with a pump (i shoot alot)

ramping is useless.....
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:14 PM #265
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ROF.... semi
paint.... i used the normal amount, about a 2/3 of a case with a pump (i shoot alot)

ramping is useless.....
I know that lol I've played it as well. I was referring to the pages of debating in this thread.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:25 PM #266
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why cant we just have old xball again?
dont get me wrong it seems like a interesting format but I believe a lot of the players out there would love to see penalty boxes and the old format to come back...but obviously with this economy it wont
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:26 PM #267
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the time has come

I have been playing this format for almost a year now and seen its development. This is an amazing format that encourages players from every level to adapt and learn. The tempo is extremely high.

I have never seen a "standard-format" paintball tournament that had spectators on their feet screaming their heads off throughout the entire match. Normally, when a players parents or friends come to watch them play, they sit on the sideline through the match and wait until the player comes off the field to ask him what happened and who won. The NPL format is so simple for spectators to understand and exciting to watch that when this league takes off it will be getting into the mainstream sports world.

I hope you all turn out for your local combines.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:57 PM #268
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I have never seen a "standard-format" paintball tournament that had spectators on their feet screaming their heads off throughout the entire match.
You've never seen an x-ball or 5-man tournament before?
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:00 AM #269
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i have had the pleasure of seeing and playing in both. and, not to dig on them, neither comes close to the energy i have felt from the crowds at an NPL format match.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:09 AM #270
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i have had the pleasure of seeing and playing in both. and, not to dig on them, neither comes close to the energy i have felt from the crowds at an NPL format match.
So what's the difference between the entire sideline yelling at a PSP event and the entire sideline yelling at an NPL event?

Not going to lie, I'm not a huge fan of sports that go for a really long time without any points being scored.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:30 AM #271
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theres a reason soccer doesnt do to well here.
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Not going to lie, I'm not a huge fan of sports that go for a really long time without any points being scored.
Agreed. It does get a little boring when nothing happens but when it's gridlocked like that, it makes the points that are scored that much more valuable and exciting. The 'gridlock' I'm referring to doesn't happen too frequently. Plays get stalemated and the clock just winds down. Most of the games that I have played have roughly a 30% scoring rate.
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Correct me if I am wrong here Chris?
We are limited paint at the high school level. It's more important there, but I'm hoping in a couple years I'll have a crop of players who understand limited-paint formats and we'll be able to switch at the NCPA as well.

My players are always confronting costs as an issue, and other than travel to nationals, 75% of their costs are paint. There's really no where else the cost issue can be addressed.

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