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Old 12-13-2012, 06:09 PM #1555
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Yea, they do. Weaver is an ace, but Wilson is a number 3 and the rest of their starters are unknowns and/or fodder.

I think this also makes it so Texas is willing to deal Andrus or Profar. Though, now they may be obsessing over David Price.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:17 PM #1556
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Angels need a frontline starter, not a back end starter. They have Jared Weaver, CJ Wilson, and .... ? Not a whole lot.

Bourjos for Dickey, straight up. Actually, I think Trumbo should be traded. I don't see him improving a whole lot. He's got pop, but will be stuck at first or LF.
Mets are looking for more of a power hitter from what I understand, Bourjos doesn't fit that description.

With Davis being the only real power threat in the line up, it would be nice to have someone else. Lucas Duda is freakishly strong and hits bombs in BP but I doubt he's ever gonna really be a solid everyday big leaguer.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:26 PM #1557
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Mets are looking for more of a power hitter from what I understand, Bourjos doesn't fit that description.

With Davis being the only real power threat in the line up, it would be nice to have someone else. Lucas Duda is freakishly strong and hits bombs in BP but I doubt he's ever gonna really be a solid everyday big leaguer.
David Wright can hit for power.

Bourjos hit 13 homers in 2011. He has some power. He also is probably the best defensive centerfielder in baseball.

Angels may also want to trade Trumbo. He's basically a LFer or first baseman. They could play Hamilton in LF, Bourjos in CF, and Trout in RF. Trout's arm isn't ideal, but I can't see the Angels giving up on Bourjos so soon. I also don't think he's enough to get Dickey unless he hits like he did in 2011 and shows he's healthy.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:46 PM #1558
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I just don't see Wright hitting 30+ HR like he used to. Not that he needs to but I think that is what the Mets are looking for.

No matter what happens, Dickey needs to get traded for an outfielder.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:02 PM #1559
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He slugged .492, good enough for fifth in baseball amongst third basemen.He hit 21 last year along with 41 doubles. That's plenty of power for that park.

Honestly, Bourjos is about the best you're going to get for Dickey or anyone for that matter. There isn't a whole lot out there. The Dbacks wanted help at shortstop. Unless you could talk them in to taking one the Mets pitching prospects, there's no chance.

Trumbo is a small possibility. I'd cost more than Dickey though.

I dunno, maybe you could talk the Angels in to giving you Vernon Wells


EDIT - I suppose Logan Morrison could be had for a decent offer.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:05 PM #1560
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BTW, I looked it up. Hamilton and Pujols will both still be under contract when Mike Trout is a free agent.

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Old 12-13-2012, 08:18 PM #1561
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I wonder how much more it would cost the Mets for Trumbo. That could be neat.

For the record, I wouldn't be opposed to Bourjos in Flushing by any means. Don't know how much I love LoMo though.
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2. They don't like Bauer's long toss. Basically, Bauer and some other young pitchers have a completely different approach to pitching then has been taught in the last ten years. Their long toss is 3 and 4 times the distance and just as often. The Dbacks pitching staff doesn't like it, so Bauer is the odd man out after the McCarthey signing.


If the Dbacks staff was really irked by the long toss, they wouldn't have drafted him. He didn't listen to Montero and wouldn't adjust his pitches. Even then, he was still a highly coveted prospect. Seems like they should have got more.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:53 AM #1563
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So it looks like the rangers are going into this season with Geovanay Soto as the everyday catcher, Gentry/Martin platooned at center, and Robbie Ross as the fifth starter?

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I wonder how much more it would cost the Mets for Trumbo. That could be neat.

For the record, I wouldn't be opposed to Bourjos in Flushing by any means. Don't know how much I love LoMo though.
Where would Trumbo play? He's pretty awful in the outfield

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If the Dbacks staff was really irked by the long toss, they wouldn't have drafted him. He didn't listen to Montero and wouldn't adjust his pitches. Even then, he was still a highly coveted prospect. Seems like they should have got more.
That too. But they've repeatedly tried to get him to change his program. You're right, he should have gotten more. Towers had his blinders on about getting a shortstop and now he's stuck with one who can't hit.

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So it looks like the rangers are going into this season with Geovanay Soto as the everyday catcher, Gentry/Martin platooned at center, and Robbie Ross as the fifth starter?

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I also think the Rangers could be in on Michael Bourn
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I knew the Cubbies wouldn't get Sanchez lol
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:23 PM #1566
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Where would Trumbo play? He's pretty awful in the outfield
LF. Not ideal but still an improvement over what we had out there and his bat would be welcome.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:48 PM #1567
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So it looks like the rangers are going into this season with Geovanay Soto as the everyday catcher, Gentry/Martin platooned at center, and Robbie Ross as the fifth starter?

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I hope we have a good catcher coming up in the minors. Or hope that Soto can turn his career around like it was when he was ROTY.



Why are we pursuing Bourne? If anything, we need an outfielder with some power rather than another Murphy/Gentry type player. Is David Price still on the market?
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:09 PM #1568
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I hope we have a good catcher coming up in the minors. Or hope that Soto can turn his career around like it was when he was ROTY.



Why are we pursuing Bourne? If anything, we need an outfielder with some power rather than another Murphy/Gentry type player. Is David Price still on the market?
Expensive Rays players are always on the market
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:51 AM #1569
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I think we need to make a move for a pitcher rather than an outfielder. We can make do with a lineup such as: Kinsler, Andrus, Beltre, Cruz, Moreland, Murphy, Soto, and Gentry. Not sure who the DH will be or how they will work Profar and Olt in and out of the lineup. I also wouldn't mind seeing Murphy in the 3 spot to see how he could do.

Last year he had an average over .300 and had like 15 or 16 homers IIRC which I think is pretty good seeing that he plays like half the time. I feel he could put up some solid numbers if given a full seasons work.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:26 PM #1570
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If you want a pitcher, a really good one, Olt is as good as gone. Probably Profar or Andrus.

Blue Jays trying to land Dickey
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ra-dickey.html
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If you want a pitcher, a really good one, Olt is as good as gone. Probably Profar or Andrus.

Blue Jays trying to land Dickey
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ra-dickey.html
I don't know much about Profar or Olt yet as I typically don't keep up with the up and comers much. But I think it would be best to hold onto Olt seeing that Beltre is getting older. I love Andrus as well.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:27 PM #1572
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Profar is a top 5 prospect in baseball. Dude is legit.

Rangers were unwillling to deal Andrus or Profar, not even to get Justin Upton.
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Well the only way to get Andrus and Profar on the field at the same time would be 2nd and short which would mean trading Kinsler or moving him to the outfield. Don't know how well off we would be defensively at left with him but that's the only ways I see them both playing.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:42 PM #1574
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Well the only way to get Andrus and Profar on the field at the same time would be 2nd and short which would mean trading Kinsler or moving him to the outfield. Don't know how well off we would be defensively at left with him but that's the only ways I see them both playing.
LF, especially in that ball park, would be easy. Of course, you'd have to do something with Murphy or Cruz. Maybe first base.

Truth is Profar probably needs another full season in the minors before coming up, so 2014 is when the decision would have to be made.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:33 PM #1575
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Dickey and Josh Thole to the Jays in exchange for Travis d'Arnaud, John Buck, Noah Snydergaard and a player to be named, pending Dickey signing an extension.
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