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Old 07-03-2012, 01:16 AM #22
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Should I just stick with the default one for now then? I won't lie, this is all a bit confusing.

What is a repeater valve?

EDIT: Oops, didn't see that response.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:30 AM #23
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http://www.ansgear.com/Extreme_Rage_...2tankwrptr.htm

I am thinking about buying this but I don't know what a repeater valve is and I can't find anything about it on Google.
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:22 AM #24
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http://www.ansgear.com/Extreme_Rage_...2tankwrptr.htm

I am thinking about buying this but I don't know what a repeater valve is and I can't find anything about it on Google.
It's not a common term that I've ever heard.
The valve on that 4oz tank looks like a standard CO2 tank pin valve, nothing special about it.
4oz tanks are neat, but if you're going to be using a bottomline you may want a longer tank. That little tank is so short that it will probably not make for a comfortable stock to rest against your shoulder.

Of course, if the fields you're going to be playing at offer unlimited free compressed air fills, and many do, it may be more cost effective to skip CO2 and buy a small compressed air (HPA) system.
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:38 AM #25
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Would it matter if I get CO2 or HPA?
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:41 AM #26
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Would it matter if I get CO2 or HPA?
Yes. HPA systems do not have the pressure fluctuations caused by evaporating CO2 vapor, so they tend to be more consistent shot to shot than CO2 tanks, resulting in slightly better accuracy. This is much more important in fast electronic guns than in a pump like the Trracer, so the difference would be very slight.

As an aside, most nicer electronic guns should not be run on CO2 at all, as if liquid CO2 gets into their solenoid valves the cold temperatures and expanding gas can damage their small O-rings.

The other big advantage of HPA systems is that they are much easier to fill than CO2 tanks. Filling a CO2 tank properly requires a trained employee of the field to take the time to carefully fill your tank himself slowly, hopefully using a scale. HPA fill stations on the other hand are much simpler to use, often with just one hose to connect and one button to push. Because of this, most fields that offer HPA and CO2 fills will include HPA fills with the cost of entry and make the fill stations self-service while CO2 fills are charged per-fill and require you to get an attendant to do it for you. Therefore, HPA is a much more convenient gas source for most players.

On the other hand, if you're going to be playing on private property, or on fields that do not offer HPA fills, this point is moot.

CO2 tanks offer two advantages:

First, CO2 tanks are much less expensive to purchase than HPA tanks. This isn't much of an advantage on a field that offers unlimited free HPA though, as in that case the HPA tank will pay for itself after a number of fills.

Second, CO2 tanks are usually lighter and always more compact than comparable HPA tanks, so they make for a smaller setup.
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:49 PM #27
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I see.. I just purchased a lot of the stuff! The Trracer, bottomline, hopper, and HPA tank. Think that's good enough to start?
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:52 PM #28
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Probably. Look into nail polish or tape detents. You'll need 'em!
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:57 PM #29
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I see.. I just purchased a lot of the stuff! The Trracer, bottomline, hopper, and HPA tank. Think that's good enough to start?
Oh yeah.
I'd hold off for a while.
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:07 PM #30
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Sweet. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate the help. I can't wait until I receive it in the mail!

Oh, and I will get the nail polish/tape detents!
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Old 07-11-2012, 02:24 AM #32
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So my gun finally came in today! I am so happy and can not wait until I start Shooting!

I have a question about the bottom line I got though. I am not sure if I am describing it right but it is very short and if I put it together my gun will look awkward. Is there a way to change it?
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:26 AM #33
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Can you adjust the angle of the air fittings?
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:08 AM #34
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I do not know how to upload pictures on a forum like this so I'll just give you a link!




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Old 07-12-2012, 09:53 AM #35
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It looks like you're going to want the hose to face the opposite way coming out of the bottomline ASA. To do this, use a wrench to unscrew the *90 elbow on the bottomline, apply some sort of sealant to the threads (blue loctite, teflon tape, and most commercial pipe sealants will make a good airtight seal) then screw the fitting back into place good and tight, but facing the right direction.

That hose should fit much better if it's facing towards the tank as it leaves the adapter, then curves upwards and makes an arc back to the backbottle ASA on the gun.

If you want to post a picture, put the tag [IMG] in front of the image's URL...
...and [/IMG] after it.

Or just click on the yellow icon, third from the right, above the text bog and enter the URL there, like this:

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:44 AM #36
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Okay, it sounds confusing but I will try it out. Where would I buy sealants?

In that picture, is that the same bottom line?

Edit: Oh, and thank you for the help with pictures!
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:54 AM #37
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Heh, that's my gun up there. I was screwing around putting a $140 hopper and a $150 tank on a $120 gun.

The bottom line I was using there was a parts-box setup. I'd picked up the part that screws into the back of the gun used here on PBNation. The "duckbill" where you screw the tank in was from another gun I had sitting around. These days, I have a much nicer setup on there, but I kept the steel-braided line. I like the look, because I'm an old guy.

Teflon tape can be bought at any department or hardware store. It comes in a little roll in a plastic case, usually right around a dollar.

And I fixed your pictures above.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:20 AM #38
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I need to go to a hardware store now. Still haven't had the chance. Is it easy to switch around the duck?
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Yep. Just unscrew the hose fitting from the tank mount, then screw the fitting on to a new mount. There's a lot of nice options out there for tank mounts. I'm partial to the Bob Long cam drive, but there's plenty of good ones.
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