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Old 01-02-2004, 01:30 AM #1
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Low pressure and good efficiency

Im trying to make my autococker low pressured and i've heard alot of people saying that when this happens it becomes a gas hog, if u have a Low pressure autococker and have a good efficiency please tell me what upgrades u have done to your gun to be able to achieve this.

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System X vengeance 2.0 pro
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Old 01-02-2004, 01:50 AM #2
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system x... hahahah
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Old 01-02-2004, 01:55 AM #3
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Dude you just had a thread on this.

Efficiency is all in your springs. Go buy a spring kit and try it out.
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Old 01-02-2004, 02:39 AM #4
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i said does anyone have one. not if its possible
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Old 01-02-2004, 02:53 AM #5
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AKA internals for cockers are known to operate at low pressures, however it still won't get you the best possible efficiency, like drew said, the spring setup affects your efficiency, however doesn't always allow you to run at a low pressure
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Old 01-02-2004, 08:13 AM #6
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Re: Low pressure and good efficiency

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if u have a Low pressure autococker and have a good efficiency please tell me what upgrades u have done to your gun to be able to achieve this.
I know what you mean. You want to know if anyone ACTUALLY OWNS such a marker. For the past year, Iíve asked that question specifying parameters on PSI (under 190), velocity (290 FPS) and efficiency (at least 1400 on a 68/4500). I posted the question on many cocker forums e.g pbreview.com, worr.com, and air-powered.com.

Every forum was the same. If you ask general questions about LP and efficiency, you will get opinions, theories and arguments that will go on endlessly for pages and pages. But then, you get silence as soon as you ask if anyone has such a thing and what specific parts and configuration went into such a setup.

This leads me to a couple of conclusions:
1. LP, efficiency, and velocity (as defined above) are not possible in an Autococker.
2. A great percentage of people who post in forums are merely repeating what others have said before. No actual hands on experience with the configuration or product. (Hey CQ, here's another chance for you to say, "Duh, we've known this for years" )

Go ahead, I have my fireproof suit on.

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Old 01-02-2004, 08:50 AM #7
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well....the only problem with what you are looking for is the pressure needing to be under 190psi......


through MY experence.....using many combo's of parts and springs.......I have found that setting up a cocker to run under 200 psi no matter what I've done becomes a gas hog....


I have three right now that run about 200-220 psi and get the kind of effiffiency you are talking about.........

but trying to lower it beyond that gets quite difficult without it just becoming a gas hog....

You can more than likely get your pressure lower (into the 220-250psi) range by trying different spring combo's and using your stock parts.........

The spring combo is what will effect what the best operating pressure your set up will run when sweetspotting the regulator.

A 10 dollar spring set and a valve tool........time, air, chrono and paint are all you need.......but under 190 is a tough challange....and not worth the time or money........in my opinion.



But all this was said quite a few times already.......in other threads.......
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Re: Re: Low pressure and good efficiency

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(Hey CQ, here's another chance for you to say, "Duh, we've known this for years" )
That's right... demand civility and then try to pick a fight.

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Can we ban people for being pretentious snobs? Hey I am gonna change my name to hondapilot and use lots of really big works to exlain really simple things. Its like being in a cheers episode from hell listening to Cliff Claven for eternity!
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Can we ban people for being pretentious snobs? Hey I am gonna change my name to hondapilot and use lots of really big works to exlain really simple things. Its like being in a cheers episode from hell listening to Cliff Claven for eternity!
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Re: Re: Re: Low pressure and good efficiency

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That's right... demand civility and then try to pick a fight.

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LOL sheez, lighten up!! It was just a joke!!
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I have three right now that run about 200-220 psi and get the kind of effiffiency you are talking about.........
You have three? That sounds promising. Can you please list what you are using for the following?

1. valve
2. valve spring & main spring (include color if it's a nelson or madman)
3. hammer
4. ram
5. lpr
6. bolt
7. barrel
8. body type

are your three guns electros or mechanical?
please share your insight as to what other factors are important.
thanks in advance.
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Old 01-03-2004, 01:07 AM #15
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and use lots of really big works to exlain really simple things.
Some words could appear really big to really small minds.
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Bimmer, you *do* know you can (and should) edit your posts instead of posting 3 times in a row, right?
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Old 01-03-2004, 01:40 AM #17
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FallNAngel, I get a nickel for every post I make; a dime each if they are at least three in a row.
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Old 01-03-2004, 08:27 AM #18
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Featherlight Merlin body
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Get over 1400 from a 68/4500 how much over dont realy know.Too busy just shooting it.
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Tsparks, do you have a pic of your gun online? What operating pressure and velocity are you running at? Thanks in advance.
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Old 01-06-2004, 05:38 PM #20
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You have three? That sounds promising. Can you please list what you are using for the following?

1. valve
2. valve spring & main spring (include color if it's a nelson or madman)
3. hammer
4. ram
5. lpr
6. bolt
7. barrel
8. body type

are your three guns electros or mechanical?
please share your insight as to what other factors are important.
thanks in advance.

sorry.......missed your question.....

1. Mac Dev RED
2.maddman green/green
3.Kapp
4 STO
5. Mac Dev sonic
6 Warped sports Dark (delrin/open face)
7 cp barrel kit....(I check my paint to bore every cs)
8 FBM tear drop
9 messiah in line reg

this is my most efficient marker....I get about 1100-1200 shots on a full 45/45 easy
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Old 01-06-2004, 07:15 PM #21
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I will see if I can get one up.Input was 200 shooting in the 280's
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